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#1 MSwiss

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Posted 29 October 2019 - 07:34 PM

I spotted this earlier, on the Slotblog Ebay feed, and hit Buy it Now, without having much of a chance to examine it much.

 

Anyway, it looks pretty nicely done, has a reasonably neat Champion motor, and I always wanted to have a Nutley drop arm, in my possession, in case I do a repro.

 

 

s-l1600.jpgs-l1600.jpgSort of an odd mix of top notch soldering (maybe from the original builder?) and some pretty rough touch-ups or repairs.


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Posted 29 October 2019 - 09:53 PM

I agree, a cool find. It has a lot of good parts and a classic design to it  :good:


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:07 AM

Built by Emott or Tango? :unknw:


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 07:15 AM

Good one Swiss! 

 

You beat me to it again! LOL

 

As soon as I saw it on SB, I went to the auction, but you already bought it!

 

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 09:16 AM

Very nice. Wonder what the history is.



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 09:39 AM

Dave it was built by some guy named Nutley.  :)


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 10:30 AM

Built by Emott or Tango? :unknw:

Not sure if Tango was really a chassis builder.

Tony P would know.

Mentioning his name does bring up found memories of being alone on the Hinsdale King, with him, along with PVA, in the raceway, before 165 more racers showed up.

I still have a hard time visualizing how we all fit in that basement.

Very nice. Wonder what the history is.

For $50, I'm not real concerned of its history or whether it was built by someone prominent.

Maybe, someday, if I get time, and the motor is intact, I'll cut the comm, and restore it and run it hard on the King, on the 13.6V, to compare lap times with current Retro cars.

Even it wasn't cheap, I wouldn't care if I blew it up.

To me, a car sitting on a shelf, with a blown comm, doing nothing, isn't any different than a car sitting on a shelf, with a pristine motor, doing nothing.

JMO.
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Posted 30 October 2019 - 11:04 AM

To me, it looks like a combination of parts from an era when things changed rapidly.  The motor looks like an end bell drive orange picker, but the drop arm is from when the C cans were well established (not to mention the dreaded B can  LOL).  In any case, some interesting stuff.

 

Are those "telescope" rear wheels?


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:03 PM

John,

I think Champion cans and endbell drive hung around a little longer than you think.

 

From some great, recent Model Car Journal posts, on Tony P's Evil Bucks Racer FB page.

 

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:07 PM

I had a funny feeling I would be proven wrong... :dash2:  :laugh2:


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:09 PM

I added a little text, to rub it in a little more. LOL

 

The car was shipped today, so I'll have it Friday or Saturday.

 

Obviously, "telescopic" rear wheels.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:17 PM

The thing I find interesting about this car is the motor box area. As I recall and the photos in the paper confirm the endbell / drive side normally had one bend and then up to the axle tube. the can side had a jog around the can before turning up to the axle tube. Mikes car reverses this. 


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:18 PM

Is it a Nutley, or just built with a Nutley drop arm. It appears, from what I have read, that a lot of racers copied the designs of the
pro builders, so unless it is signed, how do you know?
 
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sloppy workmanship, and poor engineering, I performed as a teen. The only real joy in doing this is seeing them run again. I
also believe that any car from that era deserves to be restored, or at least put back in running condition. It doesn't have to be
famous.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:29 PM

To answer Eddie and Dave, I noticed the back motor box area was indeed, pretty unique, which leads me to believe it was built by somebody non-famous, with some pretty good wire bending and soldering skills, but some different ideas.

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Posted 30 October 2019 - 12:31 PM

Mike Tango of Nutley Raceway had a line of drop arms with the "Nutley" name on them as well as pans that were sold through wholesalers and raceways.  They were hot because they were one of the first generation drop arms that was formed to function with an Associated Jet Flag.  I think he may have even had a motor bracket.  He sold stuff for a couple years at most.

 

The rear tires are Associated.  The fronts are Mini-Wheels I think.  Since the car has 1/8" axles, Cox spur,  and the precarious way the guide post in mounted (pre-flag nut) I would place this as a circa 1968 car.  The fact that it is end bell drive with a Champion motor makes it a pretty rare bird.



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Posted 30 October 2019 - 01:19 PM

To me the motor box appears to be intended to move the heavy part of the motor closer to the center of the chassis, but in so doing he created some tight packaging on the gear and endbell side.


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Posted 30 October 2019 - 03:09 PM

I noticed the rear of the droparm has a thin strip of brass on the upper surface to raise the soldering surface closer to the hinge tube. I have not seen this done before, I always soldered in a length of .047 wire to strengthen this joint. The plumber hinge on this chassis is also unique.

 

As I recall, Team Mini-Wheels had some good chassis builders. I don't know if they built with their own parts or used others. Tony P. may comment when he sees this chassis, perhaps having some insight as to who might have built it. If the original body existed, it might have been painted by Connie Tango.


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Posted 01 November 2019 - 04:40 PM

I took a 10 minute ride to pick up the car and a few other packages.

Nothing real remarkable so I threw in a pic of s Maxwell's gyros.

The motor looks like it's in good shape, with a good chance of running.

As mentioned before, it almost seems as 2 different racers worked on the chassis.

Not just the quality of soldering, but some of the design, like a crude drop arm stop.

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It is a balanced arm/"rewind".

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A nice detail on the front hinge wire.

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 05:05 AM

Built by Emott or Tango? :unknw:


Absolutely not.


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 05:10 AM

Mike tango did not build chassis, I did all his.


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 03:22 PM

Tony, does this particular brass/wire chassis design look like anybody's work you might have known back in NJ? If you didn't build it originally, do you have any idea who might have?


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 03:58 PM

No idea at all.


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 06:28 PM

That's what I figured. Thanks. :)


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 08:23 PM

The way the motor box is made you can’t center the rear track. The motor sits too much towards the gear side.

Back then you needed the motor box to tuck in behind the can before going up to axle for the rear tires to fit. You can see it’s all ground away to try and get room for the tire.

We could only go to a straight rail on the one side when we went to can drive and notched endbell to fit over the rails.


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Posted 02 November 2019 - 08:25 PM

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