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#1 Pappy

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 10:56 AM

I've got a Mura Eliminator Series, High Timed, Group 12 motor #M1213 still in the bag. Silver can with blue endbell. Is it worth anything?

 

I've also got a Mura Group 20 in a light weight chassis that looks like it has very little time on it. The chassis has a triangle shaped front plate, is mostly piano wire and not much of it with no side pans. It's a commercially made chassis, not a home built.

 

I'll see if I can get a picture of it later.


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Posted 05 November 2019 - 04:44 PM

The chassis sounds like one I first saw sold under the Koford label, but I'll wait for your photo. I don't remember stock #'s, Mura or otherwise. A photo of it would probably help someone identify what it's worth. It might not still be competitive, but most motor parts could certainly be reused.

 

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 06:25 PM

Here are photos of Pappy's two items

 

NH Pappy's Mura Motor.jpg  

Mura Grp. 12 Motor

 

NH Pappy's Chassis & Motor(A).jpg

Mura Grp. 20 Motor & Chassis

 

NH Pappy's Chassis & Motor.jpg

Mura Grp 20 Motor & Chassis


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Posted 05 November 2019 - 07:33 PM

Koford sold that chassis.

 

Others might of, also.

 

It's Brazilian made.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 05:37 AM

I've got a Mura Eliminator Series, High Timed, Group 12 motor #M1213 still in the bag. Silver can with blue endbell. Is it worth anything?

 

I've also got a Mura Group 20 in a light weight chassis that looks like it has very little time on it. The chassis has a triangle shaped front plate, is mostly piano wire and not much of it with no side pans. It's a commercially made chassis, not a home built.

 

I'll see if I can get a picture of it later.

The motors are good runners...not competitive or valuable as collectibles.  Still, you could have a lot of fun with them...a couple of drops of oil and off you go!


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 06:44 AM

Thanks John.

 

Maybe I'll start a Retro Group 12 and a Retro Group 20 series, then everyone will want them.  :laugh2:

 

They would be legal motors for the Michigan 24 hour, 1/32 scale, plastic chassis only race since we can use any motor we want. I'd have the faster car in the race till I got to the first turn.  :dance4:   :crazy:


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 07:32 AM

The motors could have some drag  racing potential in certain locations.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 08:32 AM

Butch, the pink spur needs to be flipped over


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 10:01 AM

We mostly ran those chassis with Gp-15 motors. Gp-20 if you had big enough chestnuts. Jerry Kulich loved

the GP-20 class because he sold a lot of gears. And bodies. 



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Posted 06 November 2019 - 10:38 AM

Butch, the pink spur needs to be flipped over

I think the problem with car is the person who put it together used too small of a spur, for a C can.

If it was flipped over, I doubt you could get the gears to mesh without the motor hitting the axle.

If it was bigger, you could remove those spacers, and get your proper engagement.(without flipping it)

This is assuming the spur is indeed small.

It could be the spur looks small because the tires are just way big.

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 10:45 AM

Butch, the pink spur needs to be flipped over

I think the problem with car is the person who put it together used too small of a spur, for a C can.

If it was flipped over, I doubt you could get the gears to mesh without the motor hitting the axle.

If it was bigger, you could remove those spacers, and get your proper engagement.(without flipping it)

This is assuming the spur is indeed small.

It could be the spur looks small because the tires are just way big.

PS-Looking at the componentry, it looks like a Koford RTR car that blew the spur, and was fixed by someone with a limited selection of replacement parts, and no desire to unsolder the motor, which is expertly installed.

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 12:50 PM

I'd think a Koford wing car RTR would come with 64P gears with a G20 motor. Since the spur is pink, I'd guess it's a Parma. I'm also guessing Parma never made 64P spurs in pink.

 

Maybe the car has a 48P pinion and a Parma pink 48P spur. Which would be weird. 

 

Maybe it's a 64P pinion and a 48P Parma, Which would be even weirder.

 

No doubt having the gears mesh that far away from the can bushing is bad. I'll bet if it has been run much at all, the can bushing is wobbly.

 

Pappy, I can fix all that if you pay postage and parts, N/C for labor. Probably needs new rubber, can bushing, arm refurb, mags zapped, new gears, and a body.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 12:55 PM

Parma made 3/32" axle, 64P spurs.

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 01:15 PM

In pink? OK I'm a believer.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 01:20 PM

Yep. I remember having one on one of my original rental cars, that had 64 pitch gears and a 3/32" axle.

With my soft walls, and luck it never got rear ended, while deslotted, it lasted so long, you could hardly see that it was originally pink. LOL

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 01:54 PM

A friend of mine who use to own a raceway in Cincinnati gave this stuff to me a couple years ago along with a lot of other parts left over from his raceway. I'll never run any of it. Just wondering if I had a collectors item.

 

You can see in the picture that the end of the pinion is riding dead center on the spur gear, not good.

 

I think there might be some of those 64 pitch Parma spur gears for 3/32" axles in the batch of parts. 


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 02:03 PM

Very little value.

With a new $23 wing car body, and $12 set of tires, on it, it might be worth $50-$60 bucks.

The Mura "workhorse" motor might be of some value to John Havlicek.

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 02:24 PM

I probably have five or six of those chassis, along with a bunch of Patriots and JKs. Be nice if I could get $50 for each of them. 



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Posted 06 November 2019 - 05:26 PM

In pink? OK I'm a believer.

Parma first sold black 64P spurs, then changed to pink sometime in the early 2000's. I have both, but think the black ones are better.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 07:04 PM

Monetarily speaking, the most valuable items on the car are probably the Mura endbell, followed by the G20 arm. Bill and Mike S, would you agree?


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 08:11 PM

I'd include the endbell too. Good Mura endbells are harder to find than their cans, That Mura Grp. 12 motor might be more valuable than the  Grp. 20 motor & chassis. combine. Any of that version cans i've had were perfectly straight coming from the factory & required no reforming.


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Posted 06 November 2019 - 08:23 PM

Monetarily speaking, the most valuable items on the car are probably the Mura endbell, followed by the G20 arm. Bill and Mike S, would you agree?

Maybe to John H., to strip and wind nicely.


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Posted 07 November 2019 - 07:23 AM

Both of those motors are a tough sell with the "vintage" crowd, and even though I think they can make good runners, people don't seem very attracted to them.  The Group 12 motor is what looks like the last generation of cans and end bells before Mura vanished.  The earlier Group 20 motor still shares the older end bell design with the first Mura C cans, but Professor Motor sells those in white.   The last-gen setup can still be made into a solid (*if not very competitive in most people's thoughts) runner.  While it might "seem" as though the Group 20 arm might have some value, they generally ran fine for the time, but not so by modern standards.  These also (*like the Group 12) were not "special" and very few people actually look for them.


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Posted 07 November 2019 - 07:47 AM

John, what would you charge me to take them off my hands?  :laugh2:


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Posted 07 November 2019 - 04:13 PM

John, what would you charge me to take them off my hands?  :laugh2:

 

:) Zip Butch.  Still, if you have no use for it, why not just eBay it?  If you make sure to tag it as a "vintage Mura", you might get a bite.  It's all about the bait, and you won't catch many bass with a Krispy Kreme on your hook...if you catch my drift!  :D


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