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[wjtaylor]

If this is your first trip to this thread, check Bryan's Checkpoint Cup for whats been posted and there are other threads to look at as well.

 

Cheater, If you can put all the RetroPro stuff here as one thread that would be great and much appreciated. 

 

Give Cheater a couple of days to do this and then start up the conversations

 

Topics for conversations

 

Power

Air Control

Weighted guides

How often do you want to run this class

Qualifying

AND?????

 

For those of you that don't know me, the only thing that concerns me is getting a track full of racers having a good time

 

I like this class. I think you guys are getting shortchanged by how seldom you run it. How do you guys feel about running it on the Friday night before the King track races? Or on Saturday after the King track races? If we can get enough racers to say OK, I can take it to Debbie for her approval.

[Cheater]

Bill,

 

No problem doing what you ask, but I need a little help in knowing out which information you'd like agglomerated here. Shoot me a PM with some links if you can.

[Tim Neja]

"I posted this elsewhere earlier--but the discussion belongs here about Retro Pro at the Checkpoint Cup.  It's not an official SCRRA Class anymore,  but has been enjoyed by a lot of the racers over the years. I'm not sure who has time to help with this class, but the plan is to run it Friday night after the flat track races. There is some thoughts to a few minor changes--I've outlined mine below. Some things to consider---

 

I'm in favor of a 1/2" spoiler rule as a regular size instead of the overall height.  And adding the weighted guides for the race.  These are not huge changes, and will benefit  everyone. In addition, I propose we do the same thing as at the Boola -- run the SAME voltage as the Can Am cars and F-1.  We did that and it took a little off the cars speed and made for a much cleaner race! " 

 

Thoughts from the other participants that are racing

 

This is my post above from the Checkpoint thread.  Perhaps we can have a discussion about any changes or NO changes here.  I don't think this class is popular enough to run it much more than we do.  But I'd be interested in running it more.  All four major SCRRA races for sure--perhaps as Bill has suggested--the Friday before King Track races?  

[Tim Wilkins]

I agree with Tim:  Limit the RetroPro races to the four big races held by the SCRRA.  Hold them on Friday nights.  We pick up about a third of our RetroPro racers in town for the SCRRA events.  Holding more races will water down the event with low turnout.  Update and post the new rules in this thread.  Promote, promote, promote.  If this race could draw in a crowd of 15 or so, that would be great.

[eshorer]

One thing to keep in mind is Friday is the last time to prep on the King for the big CanAm race on Saturday. There needs to be enough time for those to practice with their CanAm cars on the lower power (it IS lower, compared to what is run with RetroPro, right?) after the races end on the Flat Track before it's turned up. A lot of guys are busy racing and marshaling the two races on the Flat track to get much practice in on Friday. I think it can work if the power isn't turned up too early.

Eddie

[Tim Wood]

Weighted guides, 1/2' spoiler, power maybe comprimise run the power up from CanAm / F1 but bring down some from what we usually run at now.    

 

Tim

[Jason Holmes]

The Voltage Now is 13.6 for RP and Can am / F1 13.28 so .3 difference it does make the cars faster but either way make the choice so it's posted and we Prep to play 

 

jason

[Bryan Warmack]

     The SCRRA has pretty much remained on the sidelines as far as some Retro Pro rules changes are concerned, however after some discussion with several racers we have decided that in the best interests of everyone concerned we will immediately STOP increasing the power for the Retro Pro race if the race has anything to do with a major SCRRA event.  This means that we will also no longer increase the power at 4 PM on the Friday of an RP event and it just makes things easier for everyone and the F1 and Can Am racers will be able to practice on the normal power of 13.2 volts until the track is shut down.

 

   No more switching issues and no more racers complaining about the power being turned up on a serious practice day for Can Am and F1 and I can't help but believe it certainly will help with some of the Retro Pro problems during the races.  This change will be instituted at the Checkpoint and I will change the race announcement to reflect this....... KISS! 

[wjtaylor]

Got some good responses and I have made a few decisions already

 

Power: at the BB the power was left at 13.28, same as retro and the racing was better. So 13.28 it is

 

Air Control   No changes here

 

Weighted guides  still looking at this. Will talk to Debbie and we will make a decision

 

How often do you want to run this class- Not a big request for more and about 1/2 of our 14 entries at the Boola Bash came from non locals. I could not read some of the names, so about 1/2 is the best I could do

 

Qualifying no change

 

Bryan will do the race plaques as always

 

Tim, It looks like you volunteered to do the photography. You did a good job at the BB, so if you want it, the job is yours. If we gave you the race sheets, would you also write the race report?

[Tim Wilkins]

 

 

Tim, It looks like you volunteered to do the photography. You did a good job at the BB, so if you want it, the job is yours. If we gave you the race sheets, would you also write the race report?

 

 

OK, WILL DO 

[Tim Wood]

Weighted Guides should be a no brainer. Thanks Debbie Merry Christmas

[wjtaylor]

I talked with Debbie and she talked to Jim and a few racers and no problem.

 

So for the next race weighted guides will be legal.

 

For those guides that have holes drilled in them and the "hockey puck" style weights epoxied in, we will do a quick look to make sure there is enough epoxy still present to keep the weights in.

[Tim Wood]

I have both weighted guides and had no problems with either guide. Using the redfox style of guides.

 

Tim

[86ed once again]

Weighted guides and lower voltage is happening. What is the consensus on aero? Just need to make sure Im within rules so I can play. 

[wjtaylor]

No change to aero at this time

[24fan]

Concerning aero, although the rules allow Can-Am an overall height of 1 7/8, Retro-Pro is limited to 1 3/4. The Porsche body most people use needs to be cut every bit of 1 5/16 just to clear the motor and stay off the tires. To use a 1/2" spoiler you got 1 13/16. So you have to bend it down to pass tech and then stand it up to race. Is that the way we play?

[bbr]

Da-ed Jerry you just reveal my secret, lol.
I doubt that tech will be that nick-picky

[Jim Lange]

Concerning aero, although the rules allow Can-Am an overall height of 1 7/8, Retro-Pro is limited to 1 3/4. The Porsche body most people use needs to be cut every bit of 1 5/16 just to clear the motor and stay off the tires. To use a 1/2" spoiler you got 1 13/16. So you have to bend it down to pass tech and then stand it up to race. Is that the way we play?

Jerry, That's how we have been doing for like.... forever.  But, it does seem senseless to have the rule like that. I vote that we just change it to 1/2" spoiler and be done with it.

[24fan]

Well I've seen this go both ways. I've seen cars go through tech that were grossly too high without anybody batting an eye while I'm sitting there with a legit car. I once had what I thought was dailed in coupe car get turned into a not so dailed in,middle of the pack car with one swipe of the sissors. I think this thread is about the little tweets that can be made to improve the quality of the race. The 1/2" spoiler as suggested didn't seem to pass as it was stated "no change to aero at this time". So it kind of leaves us with the universally accepted fudge on the total height rule. I'm ok with it but it seems like this could be cleaned up a little so there would be no doubt.

[bbr]

     I fix the rule (sort of), Ha, Ha ,LOL:

 

[24fan]

Change the words Can-Am to Retro-Pro and you'll have it!

[bbr]

that was from the RP section of of the rules... actually you "Need PDL to change it" since he pinned it......

 

I just faked it LOL

[wjtaylor]

This is something I just heard about from Bryan

 

For the Checkpoint race we will not change the way this has been handled. It's to soon and some of you might have cars ready.

 

I will be doing my do diligence on this and I would like to create a rule with fixed (max) numbers to it for the second race of the year to remove the gray area.

[Tim Neja]

I'd suggest we allow the higher 1 7/8 rule---seems to be conflicting information and these were created 10 years ago?  Not a big deal--it will only HELP the cars handing, and retro pro has always been a handful for some!! 

[Noose]

FWIW, I’d suggest 1 3/8ths body height and 1/2 inch spoiler. Much easier to tech. Have used this out here for years.