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#1 Rotorranch

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 03:45 PM

What are your thoughts?

 

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 04:01 PM

If you want to go fast, Hawk 7 if you want to go much faster Phoenix. 



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Posted 13 March 2020 - 05:08 PM

H7 is MUCH more reliable over time.  Phoenix is ripping fast with LOT'S of torque--but a big varience in good motors and they don't last a long time.  I've run a H7 on our flat track for 5-6 races.  The Phx is too torquey for the flat track--and they only get 1-2 races on them on the KING from what I've observed. 
 


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Posted 13 March 2020 - 05:47 PM

H7 is MUCH more reliable over time.  Phoenix is ripping fast with LOT'S of torque--but a big varience in good motors and they don't last a long time.  I've run a H7 on our flat track for 5-6 races.  The Phx is too torquey for the flat track--and they only get 1-2 races on them on the KING from what I've observed. 
 

We get 5 or 6 races out of the Phoenix and 10 to 12 out of Hawk 7. The Phoenix motors we are getting are much more consistent then any Hawk 7 we have ever seen. We run on a 155 ft Hill Climb at 13.6 volts and we don't run the Phoenix in wing cars with stupid gear ratios.

 

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 05:52 PM

Phoenix is a completely different class of motor than a Hawk 7. Why are we comparing apples to bananas? The only thing they have in common is, both are disposable FK type motors


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Posted 13 March 2020 - 08:22 PM

Will I didn't race either until I bought 2 H7 to race in Colorado on our Christmas trip but that didn't happen and our racer's  at BPR went back to them on the for LMP on the King so I raced 1 time and they couldn't praise the fact that they did the right thing by going back to the H7 over the Phoenix the races were much cleaner no problems with track calls because of the Excessive torque of the Phoenix They are a hand full also in Wing Cars to re start during a Race faster yes but would never be my motor of choice unless I was a Drag racer and some of the Drag guys at BPR say they are a chore but to each there own

 

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Posted 13 March 2020 - 08:52 PM

Bingo.

 

If the rules allow, the Phoenix is faster. It depends on whether you are a rules maker or a racer. If I was making rules, I'd prefer the H7. If I'm a racer with a choice between H7 or Phoenix, "duh".

 

The Phoenix is an extremely powerful disposable motor. It's also extremely difficult to install in a flexi chassis correctly unless you are an experienced builder.


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Posted 13 March 2020 - 10:19 PM

They are two different classes of motors.

At Slot Car Raceway in Houston we have the following classes

NASCAR, LMP, and GTP, flexi with H7, Eagle or ProSlot FK

Grp F wing car with H7, Eagle or ProSlot FK

Pro GTP any chassis with Phoenix, H7, Eagle or ProSlot FK with or with ProSlot 12 arm and Hawk 6 with Koford arm.

Super F, same car as Grp F but with motor change, Phoenix, H7, Eagle or ProSlot FK with or with ProSlot 12 arm and Hawk 6 with Koford arm.

The faster motors are tough to drive on the Hillclimb.

Super F on the King is faster then Grp F, but a little slower then OMB, but are cheaper to run then OMB.

Lets the racer save their money and run OMB at our bigger races, but still run a faster car in weekly or biweekly races.


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Posted 14 March 2020 - 01:34 AM

Hawk Retro/Eagle Retro

Hawk-7/Eagle/PS-FK & Scorpian/Grp11/Swasp

Phoenix/S16D

Mockingbird/S16C/Grp20

 

oranges/oranges

 

We have been running the Phoenix in GT-1 on the LTD Thurs nites since they came out.  I just changed to a fresh motor - 11/33 gearing .690" tires. 13 volts.  The King GTP at 14 volts liked to break aluminum pan cars and burn up motors if geared much different.


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Posted 15 March 2020 - 05:22 PM

...It's also extremely difficult to install in a flexi chassis correctly unless you are an experienced builder.


Made much easier if you use an aluminium axle instead of a steel one (just for the purposes of motor installation/mesh setting)
Make sure it’s a straight piece of alloy!!


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