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#1 wjtaylor

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Posted 18 March 2020 - 05:10 PM

Here is the deal...

 

I just talked to Debbie about the April 4 race date.

 

She would like the race to happen. She has had to cancel a number of races because of the coronavirus situation and as with all raceways, losing multiple races hurts the bottom line.

 

I need to know what your plans are. Do you/will you race that day? Let me know here/text me/call me/PM me or contact Debbie directly. If we get enough guys to commit, we will run it. Or tell me you won't make it.

 

For general information, the next wing car race we run at BPR will be the last Phoenix race. I know some of you have stuff left from the Western States and this will give you a chance to run it. Of course, if you bring Phoenix cars after that and we have enough guys, we will run them last. I was told that at the Western States, the Phoenix race with less than a full field took longer to run than the two OMB races, both with eight racers, combined.

 

At the next race we will also discuss what you want to race in its place. Feel free to put your ideas and start a conversation here. Richard has an idea he would like share with you then.


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 05:34 PM

Why???

Debbie and Jim are in the group of population that are endangered.

You are better off setting up some funding to help them out.

Set something up. I pledge $100.


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 05:43 PM

Not to sound too dire, but...  
 
It seems there are a few distinct groups who keep BPR afloat: SCRRA, Wing, drag, D3 Hardbody, Flexi, Friday night group.
 
If there's a contact person in each of those groups to communicate with Debbie and Jim about setting up "something" like a GoFundMe or ? and then get in touch with the regulars for each of those groups...  
 
It might be possible that we'll have a raceway to return to at the end of this tunnel. At this point I'm thinking it's better now than later.
 
Thoughts?
 
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Posted 18 March 2020 - 08:24 PM

Every Wednesday and every Sunday there are six of us that just run on the King and the Kingleman , Im sure we can do $100 each if they need the funds so thats $600 and Im sure we can come up with more if needed , let us all know , Jim and Debbie are nice people and thd track and location is good for a lot of people , hope all works out
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Posted 18 March 2020 - 08:25 PM

I would race in April so put me down
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Posted 18 March 2020 - 10:08 PM

OMG!!!

 

it is one thing to help BPR.

 

but wanting to race regardless???

d**ed the torpedoes... full speed ahead!


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Posted 18 March 2020 - 10:15 PM

CHances are we are NOT going to be allowed to race!  I'm in "shelter in place" quarenteen in Paso Robles--which means I can't travel for a race!! At this point--it would be less than prudent to attempt to gather and race without a LOT more informantion about this virus.  FWIW


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Posted 19 March 2020 - 12:54 AM

Good input so far guys, thanks.

 

No decision has been made yet as to whether or not we will actually run the races  on our normal schedule. This is just trying to find out what you guys want. That decision will be made by Debbie and I late next week taking into account many factors, including what the  various government authorities will allow us to do. Safety and the health of the racers is key and that will be the overriding concern.

 

FWIW, I have 5 for OMB and Earl ready to race.


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Posted 19 March 2020 - 11:07 AM

I have stuff for OMB but will wait and see 2 weeks off i raced the last 2 weekend and all is well  I look at it this way if I'm not sick and your not sick then we meet we will be fine but if anyone has a problem with this then Please it's your choice to stay Home but don't judge and wave your stick at everyone and be Critical of someone else 

 

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 12:01 PM

Ok do what you want.
Be like those spring break kids partying on the beach.
With little regard for anything else.

You can be fine for awhile and have the virus and infect others.
We will see in a few days, if rates of infection keeps growing we are going to be in a bad way.
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Posted 19 March 2020 - 12:16 PM

CHances are we are NOT going to be allowed to race!  I'm in "shelter in place" quarenteen in Paso Robles--which means I can't travel for a race!! At this point--it would be less than prudent to attempt to gather and race without a LOT more informantion about this virus.  FWIW

Wait a sec, Tim. Don't you deal in toilet paper for a living? Surely they'll give you an exemption!!!  The sales must go on!!!     :laugh2:  :crazy:  :good:

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 01:12 PM

Wait a sec, Tim. Don't you deal in toilet paper for a living? Surely they'll give you an exemption!!!  The sales must go on!!!     :laugh2:  :crazy:  :good:

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Hahah--yes I DO manufacture and sell TP!! And the IDIOTS that are hoarding are actually hurting our business.  There's really only so many assholes out there--so NORMAL buying and usage would work fine!!! But some are buying 10 times what they could ever use in panic  buying--and creating a FALSE shortage for others.  Simply amazing the mob mentality of people--- calm down-- follow the guidelines being established to help control this spread of virus-- and be mindful of ALL our friends/ relatives/ and people out there!!   Sadly, this is going to be FAR worse than people imagine for small business and workers in general.  I pray for as quick a resolution as possible.  Take care, and be responsible humans!!  :)


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Posted 19 March 2020 - 05:04 PM

Maybe someone has trees to decorate. Maybe their's, maybe other's. :laugh2:


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 12:07 PM

Any suggestions on what we should do to replace the Phoenix motors


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 12:54 PM

Any suggestions on what we should do to replace the Phoenix motors

Retro Pro  motors--- X12 arms would be cheap if you use the same rules to build the motors with.  Their very fast--without the massive torque of the Phx.


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 01:28 PM

RP motors are a good idea. Cheaper than c can setup. Plenty of people already have them.
Brushes are short and you will lose tension, just need to have fresh brushes before a race.

B52, but not as fast, but has more rpm than RH.
I have been testing one in a retro CA. People question me when I pull away from them off the lead on, lol.
But don't know durability or consistency of the product.
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Posted 21 March 2020 - 01:40 PM

The Hawk 6 with 12 arm. It was discussed here about a year ago. I believe it is what Rich showed us at Western States. 


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 03:35 PM

Ive always favored a rebuildable motor over the $15 throw away motors, but hey I know how to build a motor though, maybe Im biased lol.

I think the main thing that the southern CA div 1 racing scene needs to get used to some consistent race directing and a clear set of rules. Can not expect racers to make up laps if there are 50 track calls a heat, Im exaggerating a little. Plus there also needs to be a clear set of rules, determine which classes allow hollow axles and which do not. 


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 09:50 PM

The JK Hawk motor with the Koford 12 arm Richard showed at WS that they run well High 2.4's low 2.5's set the rule's no bearing or shunts yes they will cost 60 buck but you be able to rebuild them many times over so in the long run you will save $$

 

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This motor Comes with Neo Mag's and it will allow a 10 pinion were the RP motor runs better because of the Ceramic Mag's with an 8 in 72P to keep it cool 


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Posted 21 March 2020 - 11:49 PM

Could let them both run in the class for a few races and see how it goes.
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Posted 22 March 2020 - 11:43 AM

That would be fine but the retro motor will be slower and if you gear it to run with the JK it could burn up or get real hot i'm sure and you ask how I would know because I've tried But I do have a Bunch of 4002FK motors that have the Neo's in them and you could put the PS arm in them and things should be fine if we do this Let me know ahead of time and I'll make them available to anyone who wishes to load there own arm for free 

 

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Posted 22 March 2020 - 12:28 PM

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I have 2 RP motors. I was going to get them both rebuilt, but I will just have one of the arm reconditioned and take you up on your offer to load it into your neo setup
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Posted 22 March 2020 - 02:17 PM

I was offering up the Retro Pro style motors as that would be an economical way to go--and have a motor that can run in more than one series.  If we had more people running them--we could run more Retro Pro races!! And now that we have the power down in the Can Am Retro range--the motors run better--last longer and the driving is cleaner as well!! Win / Win

FWIW


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Posted 22 March 2020 - 02:37 PM

Ok, if we know already the performance is different then, pick one.
And decided on the details, bb , shunts...

Also when this situation gets better, it is not going away.
We need to create racing where there's social distancing and safety.
Four racers on, rotation that will always be a lane separation. More time between heats so we are not rushing, pit space separation.
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Posted 22 March 2020 - 03:16 PM

I was looking for something between the Phoenix and Hawk 7. I don't care what it is as long as it runs consistent and be easier for the "B" racers to run.

 

I always have and still do think a sealed motor is best for the beginning racer, but right now there is no viable option for this.

 

I think we have 2 options

 

Option 1

the 4002-12 series.

Amateur: no shunts or spring insulation

               

Experts: Allow shunts and spring insulation

 

I think BB in both classes

 

They can be run separately or together, depending on entry. The speed difference will be small if any

 

Option 2

is what Richard will bring to us at the next get together


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