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[Ken Lenz]

Flexi designed for brushless motor installations.

Features:

• Centered Sidewinder motor installation
• Adjustable bolt in motor position
• Optimized center of gravity for extreme cornering
• 304 Stainless steel center and pan

#kcracingslot #brushlessrevolution #brushlessflexi

 

[Don Weaver]

Next step forward?

[Bill from NH]

Inboard gears? Can't tell from the sketch.

[Jay Guard]

Bill: I think so, look closely at the lower right corner of the chassis and there is a tiny bit of upright showing on outside of the gear.

 

BTW... Nice-looking design but I think I would have put the most of the pan weight toward the rear rather than the front. Of course that's easy to fix with a different set of pans.

[Samiam]

It will never work... it has no ESC or lead wires.  

[Brian Czeiner]

Leave the pan areas in with the availability to have the racer punch them out using a few minor cuts. Similar to some chassis with the option to just turn left. Racers could tweak and tune to their desires.

[W. J. Dougherty]

What manufacturer is this?

[nicky 65]

The demise of what's left of slot car racing... brushless motors.

 

Parts sales will be worse than ever.

[Cheater]

What manufacturer is this?

KC Racing, who is a new banner advertiser at Slotblog.

 

Be nice to him, since he is supporting this place. Are you?

[Eddie Fleming]

BTW... Nice-looking design but I think I would have put the most of the pan weight toward the rear rather than the front. Of course that's easy to fix with a different set of pans.

Or it may work great for GTP after all there is no weight in the back of wing cars. 

[Dave Crevie]

I think the speed controller goes in the rear. There's your rear weight.

 

I wish them all the best, but I also hate to see slot racing take a left turn that puts it in competition with more expensive hobbies. One of the biggest attractions to slot racing is that, thanks to it's cottage industry base, you can go racing almost pocket change. 

[Bill Breck]

I think the speed controller goes in the rear. There's your rear weight.

 

I wish them all the best, but I also hate to see slot racing take a left turn that puts it in competition with more expensive hobbies. One of the biggest attractions to slot racing is that, thanks to it's cottage industry base, you can go racing almost pocket change. 

 

You must either have way deeper pockets than me or more change.    The last few cars I've build or assembled have been over $100 each and they'll need to have their throw away motors replaced when the brushes wear out.

[Bill Breck]

The demise of what's left of slot car racing... brushless motors.

 

Parts sales will be worse than ever.

 

What would be different other than the motors? You still need axles, guides, braid, bodies, etc.

[Tim Neja]

Inboard gears? Can't tell from the sketch.

 

The sketch shows inboard gearing!

[Larry Horner]

Was asking if this was a true sidewinder but now I see it stated in the original post. Kind of cool to see a sidewinder making a resurgence!

[MSwiss]

The sketch shows inboard gearing!

 

Checking out the Facebook brushless posts, there seems to be an obsession with a fair amount of racers to get that motor centered despite the well-experienced racers trying to explain to them inside gear is a terrible idea because it take infinity longer to change the spur.
 
I remember a Southern 500 Pro G7 race. I was on red, going into the 90. The racer on white spun his pinion in the donut.
 
As soon as it spun, I knew exactly what was going to happen and it did. That I wasn't going to stop in time and I was going to take out my spur gear when I hit the parked car.
 
I had the marshal throw me the car and it took me about 10 seconds to replace the gear, not worrying about perfect side play, etc., and I went about my way, and easily won the race.
 
While there is much less attrition with a flexi car, changing that gear is a much slower process with inside gear.
 
Those brushless motors are so light, it seems like putting lead or the ESC on the other side of the car would make balancing the car a fairly easy task.
 
And with the high-downforce bodies that are used these days, I question balance is all that important.

[Dave Crevie]

Bill; What's the cost of an R/C car these days? Five times that $100 slot car? Here's some prices on starter sets to go "pro" R/C racing;

 

 

 

If you add the price of a controller, and a few of the other incidentials you need to go slot racing, I doubt you'll get to $1000 bucks. Slot racing is still one of the cheapest "physical activity" hobbies out there. So keep smiling. You can afford a half dozen "non-technical" slot cars for what you would spend on a competitive R/C car. 

 

Incidently, are we saying that an ESC can never burn out, or a brushless motor never wear out? How much are those? 

[zipper]

And with the high-downforce bodies that are used these days, I question balance is all that important. 

 

Gilding the lily...

[Bucky]

The rocking motion of the pan of the C43 helps handling on some tracks. Im surprised they removed the raised section in front of the motor when copying that chassis.

[MSwiss]

Point of note in this thread is I've conferred with Cheater and he confirmed he moved this to the Parts Counter, from the Brushless section, since it's pointing out a particular future product.

 

Since it's not advertising it with a stock # and taking orders, for now, he's OK with discussion. 

[Bill Breck]

Bill; What's the cost of an R/C car these days? Five times that $100 slot car? Here's some prices on starter sets to go "pro" R/C racing;

 

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If you add the price of a controller, and a few of the other incidentials you need to go slot racing, I doubt you'll get to $1000 bucks. Slot racing is still one of the cheapest "physical activity" hobbies out there. So keep smiling. You can afford a half dozen "non-technical" slot cars for what you would spend on a competitive R/C car. 

 

Incidently, are we saying that an ESC can never burn out, or a brushless motor never wear out? How much are those? 

 

I never said that R/C was cheap or even comparable to slot cars, but the cost of slot cars isn't "pocket change." Pocket change is what I use to buy things at the dollar store.

 

Something else to think about... Some current R/C racers might have more interest in slot cars now that the motors are becoming more familiar to them. If that turns out to grow the hobby then I don't think that would be a bad thing.

 

Some people seem to think that brushless motors are going to be the death blow to slot cars, but realistically it's just a different motor that may replace some of the current motors, and possibly grow the hobby.. 

[Dave Crevie]

Never, anywhere in the brushless motor forum, have I said that brushless motors will be the death of slot racing. The cheap, Chinese motors have already proven to be an asset to the sport, giving those who don't have the money for more expensive motors a way to stay in. I use the phrase "pocket change" as a comparative to emphasize the difference in the costs of slot racing as to R/C car racing. It has been used that way as long as I can remember. It is not quantitative.

 

If brushless motors bring some of the R/C guys in, great. Not all that long ago I was deep into R/C and slot racing at the same time. And I suffered the slings and arrows from the diehard R/C guys for wasting time on cars that were restricted to running in a slot. For the most part, they like the steering and the ability to drive anywhere on the track. 

 

Brushless motored cars can, and probably will, start another faction of slot racing, just as there are wing car and scale racers. But I believe it is more likely going to attract more entrants from other forms of slot racing than from R/C. Just my opinion.  

[Bill Breck]

Never, anywhere in the brushless motor forum, have I said that brushless motors will be the death of slot racing.

 

Dave, my remark was NOT directed at you. I was making a general comment based on some posts that I have read on the brushless motor thread. I want to make that perfectly clear to everyone who may be reading these posts.

[Bill from NH]

RC guys have always considered their hobby to be a step up from slot cars. Many were former slot car racer themselves. I agree with Dave's last statement in post #22.

[Dave Crevie]

I would say you are correct, Bill. I got into R/C cars with a Delta aluminum slab chassis and a Kraft radio. And I would have to say 8 out of 10 guys getting into it were guys I knew from slot racing. I didn't stay in it long, just one summer. The next summer I tried go-karting, and that dried up most of my income. The next year I was into real cars, even though I didn't have one of my own yet. That would come in the next year.