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[Ramcatlarry]

Phillipe,

Did you ever get the brass ballast plates into production as used in the IROC format cars?

On wood tracks, we need one set for every chassis raced... $$$

Illinois TSRF dealer #1 since the beginning...

Raceworld now operating in the basement racing club.

I got parts...

(630) 365-9070

[sportblazer350]

well it seems like we will be racing TSRF soon! As of now, i know of at least 4-5 racers with TSRf cars purchased, so that makes enough for a race! My hope is to have our first TSRf race on 2/28 at The Race Place, Rt 33, Farmingdale, NJ. We will race them stock as the rts chassis comes out of the package, allowed mods as on website (front axle tube brace, nuts and bolts to strengthen chassis sections, motor screws). I rally anticipate the TSRF class to grow, and hope that this raceway adopts them for even more racing. can anyone say SCALE racing???!!!!!!!!

it is a blast to see the expressions on the faces of wing car onlookers, watching us race scale hardbody BRM Porsche 962s, and now with the TSRF cars......and to herar comments to the race director/owner about how "slow" these cars are....and all the while, we are having a blast racing these cars! Fast enough for me anyway! and better looking cars to boot......

[idare2bdul]

The biggest thing that hurt TSRF cars was the price point and the fact that the 1/32 car was the better race car. For some reason scale 1/32 cars aren't as popular at commercial raceways. The 1/24th cars looked exceptional but were boat anchors compared to what people were used to seeing in a 1/24th car. It wasn't a fair comparison because the TSRF cars were more scale but people vote with their wallets and their time.

The home track market responded almost the opposite, these things are too fast was the attitude and many clubs refused to let them race against other less able home track cars, especially no magnet cars.

[Joe Mig]

well it seems like we will be racing TSRF soon! As of now, i know of at least 4-5 racers with TSRf cars purchased, so that makes enough for a race! My hope is to have our first TSRf race on 2/28 at The Race Place, Rt 33, Farmingdale, NJ. We will race them stock as the rts chassis comes out of the package, allowed mods as on website (front axle tube brace, nuts and bolts to strengthen chassis sections, motor screws). I rally anticipate the TSRF class to grow, and hope that this raceway adopts them for even more racing. can anyone say SCALE racing???!!!!!!!!

it is a blast to see the expressions on the faces of wing car onlookers, watching us race scale hardbody BRM Porsche 962s, and now with the TSRF cars......and to herar comments to the race director/owner about how "slow" these cars are....and all the while, we are having a blast racing these cars! Fast enough for me anyway! and better looking cars to boot......

Glenn;
What scale ?

[sportblazer350]

Joe: 1/24 scale. and, we will begin racing TSRF on 2/28 at The Race Place.

Mike- when TSRF was first issued, the 1/32 race scene was with traction magnets, so the TSRF built car was the best you could buy at that time.Today, it is still the best traction magnet home/club track car. Without traction magnets and commercial track foam rubber rears, these same cars are great on commercial tracks. Some fine tuning with lead weight and they perform even better. 1/32 scale is not as popular on commercial tracks, as 1/32 scale cars appear to be "lost" especially on a large track. But, they are still fun to race.

As for 1/24 scale TSRF- i disagree, they are not "boat anchors", especailly compared to any standard flexi car with a 16d stock motor. No,. i won't compare a SCALE TSRF car to a wing car (blob) that makes laps in less than 2 seconds. A TSRF built car will be a real SCALE car, and is fast enough for scale racing. Scale racing is not determined by the fastest possible car, rather to (a) accurately resemble a real 1:1 car in appearance, and realistic speeds and (2) to have a field of evenly matched cars that both novices and experienced racers can race. And the speed of a TSRF car is more suited to novice racers, are easier to handle, as they progress to faster racing, if they choose to do so.

Price point- well, i would like to see them at a lower price, but a TSRF rtr chassis is not completely out of line, especially compared to today's prices for many 1/32 plastic chassis cars. And overall, no more expensive than maintaining a flexi car to race weekly, maybe even cheaper overall.

[TSR]

They would be a lot cheaper if built in China, but they are American products except for their motor. For more HP in the 1/24 scale TSR cars, you can use the TSR D3 motor that will provide greater torque, especially on tracks with long straights. On short tracks, the standard TSRF home-racing motor is just fine, as shown when we ran the first "Jailhouse" race last weekend. More power would have made those delicate 1960s chassis to stand on their side at every corner, from, as on the TSR cars, too much mechanical grip.

[Slapshot]

When I sold my Hillclimb and reassembled it in Gig Harbor Wa the owner wanted a beginner class that didn't involve soldering.



Mike Wierman of FunTime raceway says "I love these TSR cars..!!!"


He originally wanted to use the BRM cars.
Unfortuately the BRM was high priced and difficult getting them at raceway discounts.
Plus there was a cross town conflict with the national distributor (that was 6 mi away) we decided to go a different route.



Seminar cars

I suggested the 1/24th TSR for the very beginners but mainly because the owner wanted to have some scale looking cars.
He was compleatly new to slot racing and building had to be simple.
Plus it was far more attractive price wise. It turned out to be a good choice but made a cross town raceway a bit miffed.
I won't go into the details but it got brutal challanging his TSR sales, use or distributors.



Crag Reiland built this awsome car...

Anyways it has gone well but due to the fact he is a home business track with signage,counter, shop ect he can run whatever he wants.
As I said he was challanged by another raceway but fortunately he has other outlets such as Electric Dreams.

Enough said we sparked several locals into the class and who find it a perfect stepping stone into racing.
Since many have never raced before or even assembled slotcars either.
Since I am the pro in the raceway (Eurosport racing) I have had some seminars to show how to build the cars.
They are happy with the class. Most want to run the vacuuform bodies but one or two prefer the Revell Porsche 962C.

The only difficulty we encountered was the bowing of the buss bars when the cars short a braid.
As the motor or the buss bars heated up it tended to seperate from the contact to the motor at odd times.
We solved that by putting a piece of braid under the front tab that rest against the motor.
We also allow lead wire on the the cars for those that wish to go that route.
We also use brass retainers tag soldered on the pintubes with a phenolic damper.
The additonal TSR recommended upstop braces are incorperated.
We found if you open the drill holes bigger so it slops and lock the chassis up with minimal movement helps handling.
Other hints are bullit proof under the braid to step the braid contact better for the track recess.
No one but my car seems to eat aluminum gears occationaly and I can't figure out why other that I drive aggressivly.....

I might try the D3 motor PDL suggested since my motor starting to age after loaning, racing, testing and brutalizing it on setinng up the track....lots of hours on it....

Raymond

[MrWeiler]

I'm a little surprised these cars aren't more popular. The 1/32 TSRF cars are killer.

I had a customer walk in and ask for the "fastest thing you have" He wanted a McLaren Mk 6 in 1/32 scale so I had to use narrow fronts and make a few slight mods to the TSRF pan to fit the narrow Lancer(?) body. After adding magnets and detailing the body the customer picked it up - he loved it but ended up returning it because it was "TOO FAST???" and it made him dizzy. So back into the counter for a couple of weeks. Another customer purchased it and right away broke the track record on our track.

Nothing but praise here and I don't understand why they are not more popular???

[redbackspyder]

Would you guys stop pimping for PdL, his head will swell and he will not be able to go up the stairs at Warmack's shop. Then Tore will catch him and it will be the end of the Dokk! TSRF cars are very good and PdL deserves credit, but this much love to a Frenchman will lead to too many "I told you so's "

[idare2bdul]

I'm trying to figure out how to mount my Oscar Mayer Weienrmobile body on my TSRF car that I bought.
Hey, it's scale? Anybody know where I can get a Little Oscar Driver?

[Toremeister]

I do, I do!

[68Caddy]

Mill, don't worry about Master after all he is upside Rudy?

[Slot_it_Bob]

Is this line of cars still produced. We are looking to do a 1/24 Group C class on wood tracks using BRM or Tamiya bodies.

I had one of each size years ago but I ran on wood track with lots of twisty sections and the guide pin setup was not the best.

[Slot_it_Bob]

I remember reading about modifing the car to use a guide flag instead of the pin.

[TSR]

Is this line of cars still produced.

 

 

Of course they are.

 

www.tsrfcars.com

 

The guide pin has never been a problem when we ran them on all the tracks at Buena Park. Never has been a problem on HO cars either, but there the conventional guide as used on the TycoPro, Riggen and dynamic cars has been.

 

It is all in the mind.

[Slot_it_Bob]

PDL I never saw an issue with the pin. However the wood track owner is concerned enough  to say NO.

 

He want to use an H & R Chassis  for this series and I'm not hearing that either!

 

Your design is so elegant and simple and perfect for what we want to do.

 

I'm afraid without a guide flag he won't budge.  We have ten racers so that would be a nice sale for ED.

 

The track is a nice four lane 95 foot would the stock motor suffice and what about gearing can you make a suggestion?

 

Thanks,

Bob

 

 

btw I found my original cox chassis the other day

[TSR]

Most "wing cars" with strong motors do more damage to the braid on a wooden racing track that any TSR car will ever be able to do, by simple electric erosion. While the TSR cars are designed mainly to run on plastic track that do not suffer any of the damage inflicted by slot cars on the wooden kind, a simple "rounding" of the steel pin at their base virtually eliminates any possible track "injuries".

 

If the track owner has evidence of damage inflicted by a TSR car, he has every right to forbid their use. At that point, looks like a conversion to the use of a TSP1 guide flag with lead wires is warranted.

[Slot_it_Bob]

Do  you a photo of the TSP1 guide flag installed I imagine it is simple to do.

[Slot_it_Bob]

BTW This is the track we race on:  

 

https://sites.google.../zomaxxraceway/

[Zippity]

A great looking track

[TSR]

Do  you a photo of the TSP1 guide flag installed I imagine it is simple to do.

 
I will post an "how-to" article in a few days. As far as adapting the TSP1 guide flag on other cars, here are some links:
 
Installation instructions for FLY and most 1/32 scale cars
 
Installations Instructions for 1/24 scale Carrera cars

[Slot_it_Bob]

I'm sure you're busy but inquiring minds need to know.

[TSR]

Thanks for the reminder. I will try to do this tomorrow.

[Slot_it_Bob]

Another question for the Dokktor.

Can you tell me the specs on this motor please:  TSRF TD301

[TSR]

Sure. It's really a nice motor, very reliable and used since 2006 to power the SCRRA Retro Can-Am and Retro F1 cars in that series.

It is similar to the Falcon 7, except for reversed timing. The Falcon 7's commutator is timed at 15-degree CW, the TD301 is timed 15-degree CCW.

At 12 VDC, both provide 37 g-cm of torque at 47000 RPM, +/- 2%.