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#1 Courtney S

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Posted 24 April 2009 - 02:15 PM

Last week I was traveling in GA and could not make it to CMS (Sorry Greg, Jay, Ralph) but on Thursday evening I went to Daytona Slots in Dallas. There is a great tri oval an estimated 110' long, huge, fast, and fun. But what caught my attention was this monster purple thing. I don't have a camera phone but I will describe it as best I can.

HUGE 220', main bank turn 72 degrees, two elevation changes one up and one down, at speed they act like a jump! Then a small banked turn, esses and two long straights and split driver stations. I had so much fun on this track it is like crack. I could not get enough. If I recall correctly it was built in 1969 by Engleman?

The track is not perfect, lots of bumps, braid needs some work, and I think he needs to hook up the lap timer, but it would make a cool retro race.

So has anybody else seen this track?

Anybody have any pictures?

Sorry I can't remember the owners name? Dave?

I spent a long time racing on this track ran all my cars, retro, Flexi, FCR, and wing. Now I'm not much of a racer or a builder but, this track is so much fun! I think it would be perfect for a retro race.

Here's the address:

Daytona Slots
330 Paulding Plaza
Dallas, GA 30132
(678) 363-6100

Thoughts?
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 03:17 PM

Sounds like the GOD-AWFUL track that was in Riverdale, Manchester, and Snellville. Marine plywood, red formica put on in Manchester. A Champion Hall of Famer came down to a race, saw the track, said #%&##### and left. I finished second with Ray Gardner third.

Eyes of the beholder, I guess.
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 05:20 PM

Sounds like the track that was at Flashbacks in Snellville... Never raced on it but it does look like a monster...
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 06:23 PM

That might be the one that Cheater took me to in Atlanta a few years ago.
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 07:34 PM

Sure does sound like the track that was in Snellville, if so, I had the opportunity to race on it one time and I absolutely loved it. I was talking to Ralph and Joe at the last SERRA race in Abbeville about the tracks whereabouts. If this is the track, I may have to try to make a trip to play on it again.
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Posted 24 April 2009 - 11:32 PM

I've seen the track in Dallas, GA, it IS definitely the "ancient one" from Flashbacks in Snellville, GA. I've run on it a few times (in Snellville only) and it really wouldn't have been so bad if the condition of the track itself was improved. It does take a lot of getting use to with its multiple elevation changes but once you do it's kinda fun, sort of the ultimate drivers track. I'm not sure if they've done any renovation on the track as installed in Dallas, GA, so I can't say what it's like to run on right now.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 12:56 AM

We are pretty spoiled with so many of todays tracks being extremely smooth and having good clean power.

Sometimes tracks with quirks can be fun and create a real hometrack advantage for the locals. Sometimes they should just be firewood.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 09:52 AM

Yep, that was my home track for about six years when it was at Flashbacks Model Raceway in Snellville, GA. We raced on that monster three times a week. It's where I learned how to drive a slot car.

In my opinion one of the coolest tracks still around these days. I know many well known slot racers who wouldn't even walk through the door of the raceway because that track was there. It's too bad they weren't up for a challenge.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 12:04 PM

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 01:42 PM

Here's photos taken August '08 while the track was still being installed and reworked. Eddie Lawley and I stopped by on the way home from the first Marietta retro race this season to check it out.

WHAT A BLAST! We MUST have a race on this track. It is a total HOOT! It's SOOO much fun to catch air coming off the jump and land back in your slot before you shoot through the turn and down the esses. The two straights seem like they go on forever. AWESOME TRACK! Totally Retro.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 02:33 PM

WAY COOL! ELEVATION CHANGES!!
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 02:54 PM

Yep... that IS the old Flashbacks track. I won many a race on that thing... I even showed Cheater the way around it once... LOL.

I loved that track once I learned how to set a car up for it... I'm glad to see it back in action. :D
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 03:35 PM

Just seeing that track again gives me the itch. I will definitely have to make a trip to play on that one again, maybe I'll enjoy it more since I don't suck as bad as I did the one time I got to race on it.

I'm glad to see that the rear clip of a race car isn't hanging over the banked turn anymore. I distinctly remember the sick sound my car made when it launched off of black and smacked that rear end. That made for a fun time straightening that chassis.
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 03:53 PM

That looks like big time FUN!!! Let's do it with stock cars!!! What say, Cheater?
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 03:56 PM

I think it's time for a short road trip....how about it Ralph?
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 04:16 PM

Dallas is only 1.5 hrs. from me....the shortest drive yet. Our cars will be geared a little "taller" after Snellville anyway so why not give it a shot? That thing just looks retro to me!
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Posted 25 April 2009 - 04:44 PM

I think it's time for a short road trip... how about it, Ralph?

Sounds good to me.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 06:13 PM

That track looks like a nightmare to marshall. Is it?

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 12:02 AM

Dudes, lets set something up. Eddie and I are all for it. I don't care if its retro or even Flexi cars. Lets get a race going. I know the owner would be up for it. When Eddie and I visited he was excited about racing on the track. Most of his locals only want to race on the oval.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:36 AM

That is the track that Cheater took me to see when I went his house. Looks like a drop arm might be the way to go on that track.
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:40 AM

I'm in, Steve. Like you said, anything would be fun. I still think that the stock cars would be a blast. But then I think the Flexi cars could take more of a beating and not destroy a car that took many hours to build!
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 06:45 AM

I'm sure everybody still has their Flexi GT car that we used to run in SERRA. Lets break those puppies back out and run um!
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Posted 26 April 2009 - 09:40 PM

... But then I think the Flexi cars could take more of a beating and not destroy a car that took many hours to build! ...

10-4 on that Bobby. Would hate to destroy my retro car.

I'm sure everybody still has their Flexi GT car that we used to run in SERRA. Lets break those puppies back out and run um!

Eddie and I ran F7 Flexis when we were there. They were a blast! Although those straights seemed to go on forever. The cars wound out about a third the way through (12/37 gears). They were fast and drivable though.

Any open date (non-SERRA, non-AMSRA) would be good for me, except the week of May 31 - Jun 6. Susan and I are getting married and going on our honeymoon to Gulf Shores that week. She's agreed to let us take a side trip one day to Mobile to check out the track over there. Have I got a cool wife or what?
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 07:19 AM

Have I got a cool wife or what?

Not yet, you gotta get married first. :) ;)

Remember, don't let her eat any of the wedding cake. It tends to make women celibate. :laugh2:
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 08:30 AM

STAY AWAY FROM THE WEDDING CAKE... WE GOT BAD CAKE HERE!!!

Wow, I'm glad everybody is as excited about this track as I am. How about a non-points mid summer Can-Am shootout. No points, no worries, just racing and lots of time to fix your car!

Any thoughts, Cheater?
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 04:00 PM

I'm ready when you are Steve. A new motor, different gears and a fresh pair of tires and my Flexi GT Coupe is ready to go! The Chevron body that most of us ran should be just fine... but I may lay the spoiler all the way down... don't think we will need it.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 09:57 PM

We are pretty spoiled with so many of todays tracks being extremely smooth and having good clean power.

Sometimes tracks with quirks can be fun and create a real hometrack advantage for the locals. Sometimes they should just be firewood.

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Posted 03 June 2009 - 11:13 PM

This looks like a copy :angry: of an Engleman... Stan's esses's were much more uniform than those :unsure: ... I would have to see the leg structure under the bank to be sure, but that does not look like an Engleman bank... Also never heard of him building any type of hillclimb :o ...

BTW does it have a bottom deck, like the American tracks had??? if so that could :blink: make it an Altech, also built by Engleman...
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Posted 04 June 2009 - 02:24 PM


Hi Ben.

Looks like it was built by Stan Engleman to me.

Definitely an Engleman Hi-Speed bank... just like mine and the others he built for himself and Altech, flat going in and coming out, kicked up high in the center.


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Look at the way it's sectioned: big pieces, probably no base or it would be unreasonably heavy.
Seems to have double 3/8" plywood sides like mine, too.

No attached legs, I'll bet, just rests on supports as does mine and the sides are the same height from the floor all around.
The surface is definitely vintage particle board, it's still got roots in it. :laugh2:

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Posted 04 June 2009 - 10:48 PM

It has a second deck and the sections are very heavy. The most fun I ever had slot racing was on this track.
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:26 AM

Joe,

You just say that because you won most of the races held on that track when it was in Snellville... LOL!!

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 03:32 PM

:rolleyes: Yeah... yeah...
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Posted 13 June 2009 - 07:26 AM

Hi Jim,

Maybe it just hasn't been taken care of like yours!!!

And needs Magnetech Braid!!
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 09:46 AM

Looks like some of you should have got off the computers long enough to actually go race at this "monster" of a track.

It's being offered at OWH for $8,000 OBO.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:07 PM

This track will be closing up at the end of July. I just bought his drag strip.

I don't know his plans for the Engelman but will ask John this weekend at the FCR race..
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:16 PM

Looks just like this track in Daytona...

It's FOR SALE on the other board... $8,000.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:26 PM

Ray,

You need to clean your glasses. It's the same track.

It was at Flashbacks in Snellville, GA, for years, then was sold to John at Daytona Slots in Dallas, GA. Daytona Slots is NOT in Daytona Beach, FL.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 05:44 PM

I did not go back to the start of the thread... :laugh2:

Would look good in your basement.
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 08:20 PM

:o

WOW.... 3 months? It never had a chance! Maybe something out of his control...Fantastec looking track. I hope someone can give it a good home.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 09:40 PM

The track is fun and very difficult. I raced at Dallas Slot and he brought the track in but no one wanted to race on it. I ran on it in 96-98 gtp nascar, some wings. We tried racing hardbodies with fcr's on it but people would not race. I love the track,drivers track. He has closed and looking for buyer. Track surface is rough so you have to set car up for it. I got my 4 1/2 fcr & flexi to handle with 32 front axal in 1/8 oil lite. My floater. Hate to see it go AGAIN. He is going to retier and head to Florida.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:35 PM

I would have liked to work with you Retro guys, but the bad economy was taking me down and then a detached retina finished the job. I still have the pink Engleman and a 90' American Regal (flat turns). When you have a first class tri-oval to run on (Tunkel 110' Daytona), sometimes it is hard to get your racers to race on a track that actually requires you to drive.

Since my vision has returned, I may be open to setting up the two tracks if I could find a partner to help out. I think Retro is the immediate future of slot racing. Sounds like fun.
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:47 PM

Please let us know if you can re-open as that Engleman is my all time favorite track!
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Posted 07 November 2010 - 10:16 PM

That track looks like a nightmare to marshall. Is it?

Don,

Perhaps some of you South Carolina racers can help me on this. I am trying to trace the origins of this track. The earliest verified location was in 1986 when Jeff Chalmers purchased it from a store in North Augusta, SC. Do any of you remember the store or the track from there?

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 10:25 PM

Looks like it was built by Stan Engleman to me.

Definitely an Engleman Hi-Speed bank... just like mine and the others he built for himself and Altech, flat going in and coming out, kicked up high in the center.


Posted Image

Look at the way it's sectioned: big pieces, probably no base or it would be unreasonably heavy.
Seems to have double 3/8" plywood sides like mine, too.

No attached legs, I'll bet, just rests on supports as does mine and the sides are the same height from the floor all around.
The surface is definitely vintage particle board, it's still got roots in it. :laugh2:

Jim,

Are your control panels original? If so, do you have any good pictures. They look similar in construction to mine except for the wraparound.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 04:09 PM

I remember chasing Joey Mac and Ralph around that track. It was great with Wing 12s running Chinese motors.
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Posted 08 November 2010 - 04:55 PM

That yellow above is for sure an Engleman, even has original bases. It is an exact copy of my home track as a kid except for the color.

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Posted 08 November 2010 - 06:35 PM

I remember chasing Joey Mac and Ralph around that track. It was great with Wing 12s running Chinese motors.

Lindsay,

Great to hear from you again, hope everything is going well for you in Australia.

I would like to thank you again for all the help you gave me when I first set the blue king at Daytona Slots. Could not have set up that King nearly as well without the help of you, Joe, Tommy, and of course, Mark. Great job done and never asked for anything in return.

Next time you are in this area give me a shout.

Thanks,

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Posted 12 November 2010 - 02:42 PM

:) I have received confirmation from two racers in California that this is indeed the 308' track that was located at C&M hobbies in Sacramento circa 1965-1970!

If I can find information as to the original placement of the removed sections, I plan on restoring this track to its original size. If my research is correct, this is the only survivor of the monster 300' plus giants of that era.

Any additional info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

John
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:44 PM

John, I sent you a private message earlier today, please check it out.

As far as the pink track is concerned, where is it and what kind of condition is it in?
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Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:20 PM

That's great news, John!

I'm really looking forward to one day seeing your track in it's original configuration.

Please keep us posted. :)





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