39 replies to this topic

[Mad Mexican]

With all this taken in your just preaching to the choir.
The rules are the rules for this season for OCC
The OCC sponsor raceways will probably review the GT1 class AFTER the season.
If you don't like the rules I'm sure there is a sponsored traveling series one might like examples IRRA, ISRA, USRA just to name a few.
Like a said before not every series or class is going to appeal to the masses.
It's still a free country as far as I know which means a racer can pick a choose what, where and when they want to race without someone holding a gun to ones head.
OCC will not change the rules mid stream for me nor anyone else!
SO keeping it simple and putting in plain english.
THE RULES STAND AS IS FOR THIS SEASON!

[willy wonka]

I think it is kinda funny that the two that have a issue with 1/8" axles haven't even been to a race that I know of could be wrong though... So try and show up, you may have fun; you never know.

[flem1959]

I am going to try and make it to the race in Mentor in December but I probably won`t waste my money running GT1. The class does not appeal to me with the current rules.

I might run LMP with an 1/8" axle though.

[willy wonka]

There ya go... it doesn't appeal to you. That's all you had to say in the first place!!!

[Kit Henry]

You silly silly boys! As Jimmie would say, "Play nice, boys". Yes, as one of the track owners the rules are as they are for this year of OCC for the GT1 Class.

Yes, it was meant to be a beginners class. In fact we still have GT1 A and a GT1 B divisions due to the skill levels.

Now that said, lets look at another piece of the puzzle that somebody else began to mention.
Everything in this sports cost money and sponsors are few and far between. Parma is a major player in the slot car world and was willing to help with the series, the original series OCC?, then TRRS, and now back to OCC. It doesn't mean things can't be discussed or things looked at for the future. Also Parma actually built us a car for the TRRS that was GT1 legal and could be run right out of the box with correct gearing.

Kit

[Rob Voska]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the car in the box was geared 9/28 not 8/28. Also I would like to know how many of those cars were purchased and run "right out of the box" at an OCC event or even the local raceway program without a lot of extra work being done?

I said nothing bad about 501's. With the correct gearing I'm sure they would be a much better motor than it now shows. While the handout motor program at an OCC works OK because Parma supplies closely matched motors. On a weekly basis they simply don't work at all. The class has been nothing short of a ongoing soap opera with drama every week & it drives racers away. Also look at some of the handout enduro races we have run over the years with 8-10 racers. There is usually one missle, 1-2 duds & the rest somewhere in the middle. What does not work is running the wrong gear ratio on everything from an orange to a paperclip.

This is a great opportunity to move this class forward with some tweaks & fresh ideas. If the chassis is the same, axle, tires, etc..... are the same moving up to G10 or GTP becomes much easier.

[Frankie Schaffier]

Okay... Let me try this one more time..

For someone new getting into the sport.. It would sure be nice not to have to buy two different sizes of axles, oilites, spurs, spacers, hubs and jig blocks. That's all I was saying.. Give thought to NEXT years rules to allow 3/32 axles to be run in GT1, that's all I was asking.

As for the 501's.. Who cares I suppose.. For the hand outs it sounds like they are pretty well matched. As for the club races using 501's, with a little homework good ones can be bought.

And Javier, it's not a free country. Unless of course you don't have to pay taxes.

Frankie

[Mad Mexican]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the car in the box was geared 9/28 not 8/28. Also I would like to know how many of those cars were purchased and run "right out of the box" at an OCC event or even the local raceway program without a lot of extra work being done?

I said nothing bad about 501's. With the correct gearing I'm sure they would be a much better motor than it now shows. While the handout motor program at an OCC works OK because Parma supplies closely matched motors. On a weekly basis they simply don't work at all. The class has been nothing short of a ongoing soap opera with drama every week & it drives racers away. Also look at some of the handout enduro races we have run over the years with 8-10 racers. There is usually one missle, 1-2 duds & the rest somewhere in the middle. What does not work is running the wrong gear ratio on everything from an orange to a paperclip.

This is a great opportunity to move this class forward with some tweaks & fresh ideas. If the chassis is the same, axle, tires, etc..... are the same moving up to G10 or GTP becomes much easier.

Okay Amigos,
Here are the fact of the matter before TRRS folded Mike Wyatt had went to PARMA the sponsor of then TRRS
and Developed aTRRS spec racer.
http://www.shopatron...6.36157.36171.0
Any of the OCC sponsor raceways can get this from PARMA
But folks I'm all for a fresh look at things BUT right now the rules are inplace for this season as stated so many times before!
At the end of this season then the sponsor raceways should look into the GT1 Class to move foward as I said before!
Before we dump on our sponsor PARMA the OCC BoD will look at things for next season!
If JK or ProSlot or any other major player wishes to sponsor the OCC call Frank at RT93
Kit knows about sponorship with out it you cannot buy tires, parts or even a pair of racing gloves.
Most of the racers attend the events race and go home with out a care. While the series director is in the back ground making the deals so we can have a traveling series! For those who whined in the past when it's time put up or shut up most of the whiners disappear into the wood work!
Just to continue to whine in the back ground! Cut the series some slack be thankful we have this series instead of tearing it down support it!

Adios!

[Mad Mexican]

Okay... Let me try this one more time..

For someone new getting into the sport.. It would sure be nice not to have to buy two different sizes of axles, oilites, spurs, spacers, hubs and jig blocks. That's all I was saying.. Give thought to NEXT years rules to allow 3/32 axles to be run in GT1, that's all I was asking.

As for the 501's.. Who cares I suppose.. For the hand outs it sounds like they are pretty well matched. As for the club races using 501's, with a little homework good ones can be bought.

And Javier, it's not a free country. Unless of course you don't have to pay taxes.

Frankie

Amigo Frankie,

Compare to Mexico or another country that is in more turmoil more than the U.S. For those of the U.S. who served gaved their life so we can do what we want to do and have more than 2 TV Channels. In that respect others have paid the price for what we take for granted!
U.S. Navy BABY!
Served with Honor!
Adios

[flem1959]

What does Parma`s sponsorship amount to?
A bunch of crappy Deathstars?
I think the track owners would rather sell Falcons than have somebody walk in with a bunch of Deathstars that they got free from Parma.
In 45 years of slotcar racing, the Parma 501 is the worst motor I have ever been forced to use.
I ran in TRRS and I didn`t see Parma doing anything for the local track.
All I saw was Rob Garner and a box of Deathstars

Like I said before, with Falcons and open gearing, GT1 could be a great class.
Yes- split it into A and B
I know the rules are in place for this year but please be open for constructive ideas.
Dump the Deathstar and the gearing rule next year.
And if you think it will make it less expensive to race, then allow 3/32.
Personally, I don`t care about the axle.

[One_Track_Mind]

Got a question?

what Mike and Frankie are describing in what they would like for a change in OCC GT-1,

Isn't that just a IRRA Flexi-GT with a different style body?

[flem1959]

Except for the front wheels, yes.
And wouldn`t that make it easier and less expensive for a racer to participate in both series?
Wouldn`t that be good for the Track Owners?

And something else I would like to bring up.

Why be so locked into Parma anyway? What new products has Parma brought out lately?
They haven`t put much into SlotCar Racing since Paul C. went into RC have they?
They are just selling the same motors and controllers for the last 10 years, and the last good chassis they made was the Original Flexi.

[Jerry Ward]

What does Parma`s sponsorship amount to?
A bunch of s****y Deathstars?
I think the track owners would rather sell Falcons than have somebody walk in with a bunch of Deathstars that they got free from Parma.
In 45 years of slotcar racing, the Parma 501 is the worst motor I have ever been forced to use.
I ran in TRRS and I didn`t see Parma doing anything for the local track.
All I saw was Rob Garner and a box of Deathstars

Like I said before, with Falcons and open gearing, GT1 could be a great class.
Yes- split it into A and B
I know the rules are in place for this year but please be open for constructive ideas.
Dump the Deathstar and the gearing rule next year.
And if you think it will make it less expensive to race, then allow 3/32.
Personally, I don`t care about the axle.

Boy Mike I like your thinking !! Could not of said it better myself !! Track oweners listen to the racers and think about it for next year. Jerry

[Frankie Schaffier]

Got a question?
what Mike and Frankie are describing in what they would like for a change in OCC GT-1,
Isn't that just a IRRA Flexi-GT with a different style body?

Hey your right.. And wouldn’t it be sweet to be able to just switch a body to run a different series. Maybe there would be more racers crossing over both ways.

[Cheater]

Guys,

This discussion is seemingly headed downhill.

Since most everyone has had their say, let's close this thread and move on to other topics.