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#1 BackAgain

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:22 AM

Over the past few months, Butch has been hard at work... (in his spare time anyway) building a track for himself. In typical Butch fashion, he has applied a large chunk of his special talent for innovative and lateral thinking.

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This is the base, it is modular construction, the holes in the side allow access to the fasteners securing each section.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:25 AM

Some paintwork....
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The 4 lane track surface will be attached to a framework of 2 X 4's

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:27 AM

Here's some more pictures of the progress on the track. In one of the picture you can see Butch placed the track surface on the cross members and aligned it. Then Ihe marked where the cross members were to be cut off. After cutting them he made the notch on the bottom a little wider so it would allow the base to flex as its rolled around the shop on the uneven concrete. The top isn't going to be fastened to the base unless it needs to be. Then fastened the cross members to the bottom of the track surface with glue and screws.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:28 AM

NICE! :good:
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:29 AM

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:31 AM

Paul,

In the inimitable style of Pappy, the art of building framework has been elevated to a new level - that of furniture grade!

This entire project looks like Butch has taken a slot car track to the level that master craftsmen have done for many eons.

I do have a question though, if this is a 'coffee table' type of raceway, just how big is the couch?
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:35 AM

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Nothing like a 360 followed by a 180 hairpin to add excitement....

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:40 AM

Some elevation adjustments...
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Some unique "clamping devices...
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Steady progress
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View from accross the shop
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Side rails and "dressing"....
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A little more progress...
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:44 AM

Close-up of the tricky bit....
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:51 AM

Driver stations are built, taping and wiring are WIP...


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:54 AM

I do have a question though, if this is a 'coffee table' type of raceway, just how big is the couch?

 
Marty, the couches are small... but you should see the bar and stools... :shok:

You're right though, he has made the effort to think outside the box. Butch could never be content with "cookie cutter" style track construction...


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:46 AM

Hats off to Butch! Fantastic track!
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:59 AM

What an amazing build.

Fabulous!

 

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:12 AM

It sure is... the wiring side of it is just as impressive.

It is a real shame Butch no longer frequents this Blog, Rick... he could provide for more details and information than I can.

I will pass on your comments though.
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:30 AM

What a great-looking track!


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:47 PM

Looks fantastic. I think that's the best excuse for not coming out and racing with us.
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 01:00 PM

Gives me an excuse to visit Pappy for some all night racing!!

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:02 PM

wow I would imagine a track like that would cost over a 1,000 dollars.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:16 PM

MAGNIFICENT WORKMANSHIP!!! You are truly a Master Craftsman. That track is better made than most of the furniture in my house!!! Heck, ALL the furniture in my house!!! Just a fantastic piece of work!!!


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:26 PM

That is absolutely, unequivocally, pulchritudinous!!!!!!

Thank you for sharing. More pix PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:32 PM

:laugh2: "over a 1000 dollars" Willy, are you insane? :laugh2:
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:22 PM

Driver stations are built, taping and wiring are WIP......


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Is this that guy you were all talking about in free blog - WOW - what part of the country does he live in - do you think he would build me a track?Posted Image
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:24 PM


wow i would imagine a track like that would cost over a 1000 dollars


Possibly could Willy wink.gif
 
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:36 PM


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Is this that Butch guy you were all talking about in free blog - WOW - what part of the country does he live in - do you think he would build me a track? :clapping:


No he's not John... he doesn't frequent Slotblog at all. I could give you a link to the slot car chat site he does frequent and where the entire article is posted, but that may be against the rules in here...
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:39 PM

Furniture really describes it well.

Pappy should be proud.

I love the pedestal look of it.

It reminds me of a bit smaller track that I ran on in the VW display at the Chicago Auto Show, about 15-18 (?) years ago.

It looked more like a sculpture than a slot track.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:52 PM

No he's not John...he doesn't frequent Slotblog at all. I could give you a link to the slot car chat site he does frequent and where the entire article is posted, but that may be against the rules in here....


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 05:31 PM

No he's not John...he doesn't frequent Slotblog at all. I could give you a link to the slot car chat site he does frequent and where the entire article is posted, but that may be against the rules in here....

 
No, it's not.

Feel free to post the link.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:20 PM

Cool Track Dude .... Nice layout......

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:25 PM

Man he is fantastic - Thanks for posting thosePosted Image


Be careful John, he already has an over-inflated ego....you will make him impossible to live with........:)
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:31 PM

No, it's not.

Feel free to post the link.



Here is the link... http://cincyslotrods...er-construction
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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:52 PM

wow i would imagine a track like that would cost over a 1000 dollars

I imagine it would too, Willy... and I would love to tell you how you can get one just like it... another time, another place.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 08:57 AM

Awesome workmanship and track. And the first open track day is when...

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Posted 25 July 2011 - 12:38 PM

First Class all the way! Nice going, Butch! :D
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 01:46 PM

Willy, Butch told me the entire track is worth around $10,000 if you are interested in buying it.
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 07:35 PM

that is almost half of what i get each year. are you sure you heard him right there is no track worth that much money. i could by a car for that much money. the guy is good but not that good
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 09:26 PM

When ANYthing is mass-produced, it brings the cost-per-unit down. When someone spends long days and nights custom-building a one-off item, factoring in what a skilled craftsman would charge per hour to do the same job......

No, we wouldn't buy it for $10K, but it's worth that much of Butch's time and it's not for sale. :)
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 10:30 PM

Oh, I'm pretty sure he would sell it for the right price Tex....but you're right, you punch products out like a cookie cutter and they're cheap....but you get what you pay for. Not many family heirlooms come from Walmart.
Willy, it's all a matter of quality of workmanship.....it's the difference between that $10,000 car and say a BMW or Mecedes. How good he is or isn't is not for you or I to judge from a picture....but I will bet if he sold that track for $10,000, based on the hours of planning, designing, testing, building and cost of materials, he would probably make less per hour than you do at your $20,000/year job. Then, throw in the cost of tools, the workshop, lighting, heating/cooling, shipping the materials.....learning the skills....doesn't seem a bad price to me
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:50 PM

When ANYthing is mass-produced, it brings the cost-per-unit down. When someone spends long days and nights custom-building a one-off item, factoring in what a skilled craftsman would charge per hour to do the same job......

No, we wouldn't buy it for $10K, but it's worth that much of Butch's time and it's not for sale. :)

I understand what you're saying, Tex! I WILL say that when you spend your time doing that kind of work, the time goes pretty FAST! :shok: :D
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Posted 25 July 2011 - 11:52 PM

Labor Of Love. Thats something that many people will never be able to understand. If you have never built something that requires HOURS of planning, HOURS of trial and error fabrication, HOURS spent redesigning something that works, but is not quite perfect. HOURS spent just looking at or thinking about what you are trying to build. The YEARS spent developing the patience needed so when you make a major mistake on some little part of your project, you do not to take a big hammer to the whole thing because you are just so frustrated with it.

Its three o'clock in the morning and you just realized that trick little piece of metal that you have been carving on with your Bridgeport for the past four hours is not going to work. If then you ask yourself in a very sarcastic manner, IS THIS ALL WORTH IT. And if it takes you more than ONE SECOND to answer YES, you have lost that Labor Of Love for what you are doing.

To me, Butch's track shows how great his Labor Of Love really is!!!

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:41 AM

that is almost half of what i get each year. are you sure you heard him right there is no track worth that much money. i could by a car for that much money. the guy is good but not that good


NEW tracks cost alot of money. I am pretty sure anyone on here that has purchased a new one can agree to that. Hopefully Butch sends me an invite to go run on that beast.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 10:23 AM

It certainly brings the level of "home build" on slot tracks to a new level. However, I wonder how you marshal the two "inner" turns at each end? The 180 and the last "S" turn going under the donut? The design doesn't seem to incorporate for a marshall on the inside corners. So you'll need to use a "reacher" stick to get to those turns? Maybe I'm not seeing how you can get to those areas? BEAUTIFUL construction style and fantastic track!! Love to have one like it.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 10:37 AM

I haven't studied it real hard but at on the one end, with it being 4 lanes, and I'm guessing not real
wide lane spacing, you reach the inner 4 lanes from the outside as if you were standing
on the outside of a turn of an 8 lane track.

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:21 PM

I don't think with the elevation changes and the "reach" to the inside lanes anyone but a giant could possibly reach over all 8 lanes to marshall a car even with only 4" lane spacing. It's going to have to be done with a reacher. Especially at the donut end--there's quite a bit of elevation difference--and it won't be easy to reach under the donut to pull a car out that comes off in the last of the "S" sections.
Still--ALL tracks have some drawbacks. I just think in his original design, he didn't take into consideration the need for marshalling in those inside turn sections. But I still love the track design--looks very fun and challanging with some very nice unique construction features.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 06:50 PM

When Butch designed the track, his aim was to try and take the motor out of the equation as much as possible. He also wanted to fit as much track as he could into the available space while still maintaining some nice sweeping curves. He wanted a track you have to drive.
Like you said Tim, every track has it's drawbacks and that's because there are always some compromises when you are trying to maximise running feet and the desired shape. I'm sure there will be plenty of people wanting to drive that track who will be happy to marshall.
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Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:11 PM

Thia has to be one ofthe most awesome displays of craftsmanship i have seen in many years ....simply perfect sir. gawd i wish i could drive a car aorund it.
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Posted 28 July 2011 - 07:37 PM

Couple more shots showing lane striping and driver stations

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I see a road trip to Ohio in my future.....Butch has some walls and such to build so I will see if I can get there in time to lend him a hand....my good one anyway...
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 07:53 PM

Butch sent me some photos of his slotcar room....he built the dividing wall and put in some work stations. All he needs now is to install the timing system and power supply.
Pretty damn awesome work in my opinion

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Seems to me, it's missing the fridge and microwave.....

Great work Butch.....
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 09:57 PM

Butch did a great job on his track & race room. Paul, I don't see the outhouse either. :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:42 PM

This is by far the best built track that I have everseen. Not only did he construct a stunning track he built a fantastic room for it with all the accessories, work benches with power supply and yes, I noticed the HVAC ducts in the room and how nice everything was laid out with a lot of thought. Sir - well done


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 04:55 AM

Hopefully there is one of those through the door somewhere Bill.
It is an outstanding job David.....I like the red stripe around the room that matches the track....very classy....
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