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#1 jmwaite

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 08:38 AM

Anyone have any experience with the wire wing car chassis from Speed Star?

Made in Texas. Nice quality. Easy build. I jigged mine for .750" and used a sealed Hawk motor. Gearing was 13/36 for my track in Waynesboro, VA.

The guys in Roanoke have a series with these and run the same setup but with 15/37 gearing. Motors last perhaps three races. Haven't been to one of their races yet but I hear that they are stoopid fast and crazy fun. Frame costs about $25. Could be a good option for a $100 car series. I built mine up for $75 including a pre-made Race Pace body.
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 10:10 AM

Haven't seen one, got any pics? What is the intended class for the chassis, Box 12?

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Posted 03 August 2011 - 01:11 PM

Randy,

Not sure what class these things might qualify for. Perhaps a one-off item. I'll try to get some pics in here but I'm not too swift with the computer thing.

Cheers!

Mike
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Posted 03 August 2011 - 02:08 PM

I think you are talking about the Ken Stevens wire shuttle. Great frame, even better bargain.
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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:51 PM

Here are a few pics of the chassis. I built these a while back for Intl 15 and when the USRA rules changed they were obsolete. They will work great for a Falcon/Hawk wing class and with a retail of $25, a $75 car is possible. If interested, please PM me. Dealer inquiries are welcome as I offer a dealer discount to raceways.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 06:19 AM

Nice-looking chassis.

What is the weight?
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 08:19 AM

Glad Ken jumped in here. I have some pics.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:23 AM

I plan on talking to the manager at my local raceway about starting a wing class but am weary of these sealed motors. As far as cost saving I just don't see it, one motor lasting two races isn't acceptable to me. Not to mention out of the two tracks I run the Falcon class never has enough participants.

What C-can setup is available that will outlast these Falcons but run similar times?
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:30 AM

What C-can setup is available that will out last these Falcons but run similar times?

There is no C-can that will run similar speeds... all the C-can motors offered will run much faster.

Suggestion would be the Pro Slot 4002B motors that retail for 41 bucks and run similar speeds to the FK motors. They have the same size set-up and an American-made arm.

They will run lots of races and can be rebuilt just like C-can motors.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 11:45 AM

Ron,

What C-can arm produces the least speed? I figured a Wasp, Contender, or Challenger would be the slowest.

In your opinion how would gear ratio limitations go over with the racers? IMO it would really slow down the cars and keep the pack together.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:13 PM

Maybe Spec 15; a wing car class usually only run at the Nats.

Ron,

Didn't Florida run a 16C class with arms they had produced for them?? That would slow things down. Also, how difficult would it be to get a PD wind on a regular C-arm blank?? How slow would they be in comparison to regular C-can winds??
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:33 PM

What C-can arm produces the least speed? I figured a Wasp, Contender, or Challenger would be the slowest.
In your opinion how would gear ratio limitations go over with the racers? IMO it would really slow down the cars and keep the pack together.

Contender... yes, you could overgear them by putting a small pinion on them.

Didn't Florida run a 16C class with arms they had produced for them?? That would slow things down. Also, how difficult would it be to get a PD wind on a regular C-arm blank?? How slow would they be in comparison to regular C-can winds??

Florida did and may still run a slower version of a 16D arm.

The PD arm is already wound on their C-can blank at .400" stack length and they run the same or similar speed to a FK motor. Compared to other C-can arm specs... the Puppy Dog is much slower.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 12:59 PM

What would have to be done to run a PD arm in a C-can?? Lengthen the spacing between the comm and the stack??
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:21 PM

Why not just stick the whole 4002B motor in? It's the motor the IRRA™ runs for the Retro cars, so there's a good refurb program going on, and as shown at the six-hour enduro at SpeedZone, they last.

Unless it's just to tinker with motors... in which case, carry on! :D
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:31 PM

How would the new Hawk motor with an American arm compare? I think that the weight should be kept to a minimum to preserve the handling characteristics of this chassis. Of course, I'm just a noob.............
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 01:35 PM

Those are all good options.

I just think Dave was looking for an arm to put a C-can motor for this chassis.

For that matter you could put either a Big Dog or a PS Mini-12 motor in this car and make it into a D3 RetroPro car... :D :D :D
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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:41 PM

For that matter you could put either a Big Dog or a PS Mini-12 motor in this car and make it into a D3 RetroPro car...

That's just the wild and crazy guy in you talkin'...
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 11:56 AM

Nice-looking chassis.

What is the weight?


The chassis weighs in at 18 grams. The wing racers I've put together using Falcon/Hawk motors will weigh in at 63 - 65 grams. So you can get a pretty light wing racer put together.
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Posted 17 August 2011 - 10:02 AM

Chassis is long--ish. The body shown is about 145 mm. Fits well, I think.
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 01:17 PM

Are these chassis still available?
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:07 PM

Nice chassis Milkman.

Perfect Group-F or $100 dollar wing classes

 

 

Maybe Spec 15; a wing car class usually only run at the Nats.

Ron,

Didn't Florida run a 16C class with arms they had produced for them?? That would slow things down. Also, how difficult would it be to get a PD wind on a regular C-arm blank?? How slow would they be in comparison to regular C-can winds??

The Florida tagged spec arm was made for MySeries. When the FCR-NCS class was created.. it was same arm/wind with a different tag. 

 

Florida did and may still run a slower version of a 16D arm.
 

FWIK ... They (or D motors) are not really competitive here anymore.

 

Why not just stick the whole 4002B motor in? It's the motor the IRRA™ runs for the Retro cars, so there's a good refurb program going on, and as shown at the six-hour enduro at SpeedZone, they last.

Unless it's just to tinker with motors... in which case, carry on! biggrin.gif


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:25 PM

JK Retro Hawk will go well in that chassis and is more reliable than the Falcon 7.  I started out in Group F with a chassis similar to this.  Hawk 6 will be great in that also.  Should be "mucho" fast with a Hawk 6 in it and a good body like a winged Viper or ribbed Vette.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 02:59 PM

The new motor options using the Hawk-6 and PS 4000 series setups could make for a new wing grouping.  The PS hawk american arm is very similar to the grp 11 wasp wind and of course a 12 is a grp 12.  Just ran a race using the JK hawk -6 set-up with the am hawk arm...sub 5 sec on the king with 80+ gram non-wing cars.  Should approach the 4 sec mark with sub 50 gram wingers and last if you do not overgrear them.  Both set-ups are made with both ceramic and neo magnets.


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Posted 03 December 2014 - 03:24 PM

Speedzone is exploring starting a group f class with the 4002fk as the only power plant.

It will be run on the G9 king.
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 11:21 PM

I have a bunch of these available.  You can PM me if you are interested.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:19 AM

Are you still producing them?
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Posted 07 December 2014 - 02:41 AM

I have a supply built up and can build more when needed.


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 04:37 PM

Marks Model World in Canto Oh is starting up a $100 wing car class. Gp 12 chassiss with PS4002fk motor. He has a new Gerding King track!!



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Posted 09 December 2014 - 08:07 PM

I had one that had an older Int-15 motor in it.  Ran terribly! BUT, I do believe it would be good with a Hawk 7 in it.

 

Ken, you have a PM!

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 09:07 PM

Mike,

Are you guys still running wings at raceplace?

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 09:44 PM

Hi Dave,

 

Haven't in a long while.  I took a 4-month break myself but I'm back in.  

 

What night were you figuring for $100 wings on the king?

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:21 PM

They were considering Friday night.
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 05:28 PM

Hi Dave,

 

Cool, I can do Fridays unless something comes up.

 

Let me know when I should come down.  Maybe after the New Year?

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