this is true retro style Drag Racing wish I could have gotten spiritual guidance from some of the pros that were there doing it in 1965 
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:34 PM
OK this is a DUMB Drag Racer's Take on Retro Racing. I wanted to build a mag winder but Mag is now unobtainium so I hand cut myself a new Alumiwinder. with the falcon motor she runs 1.09 every time this is true retro style Drag Racing wish I could have gotten spiritual guidance from some of the pros that were there doing it in 1965
this is true retro style Drag Racing wish I could have gotten spiritual guidance from some of the pros that were there doing it in 1965
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:45 PM
I'm gonna have to buy that '63(?) Fairlane at WMS and build ME a dragster.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:52 PM
Nice and no glue.
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"Drive it like you're in it!!!"
"If everything feels under control... you are not going fast enough!"
Some people are like Slinkies... they're really good for nothing... but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:55 PM
Pretty cool and nice workmanship 
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:12 PM
SWEET RIDE !
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:55 PM
Thanks RL, Come on in man I got Plenty of K&S Chassis Kits we can get building:) I still got to build a few cars for June manI'm gonna have to buy that '63(?) Fairlane at WMS and build ME a dragster.
and THANKS Ron & Joe, that car downright Hates Glue , the stick on weights are temp, until figure out how much I need then I'll turn a moon tank and front wing to aDD THE WEIGHT
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:04 AM
Except for the Falcon motor it looks exactly like a '60's/70's dragster. Beautiful work!
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BTW, you should post this on the drag site Bracket500 in their vintage thread.
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BTW, you should post this on the drag site Bracket500 in their vintage thread.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:34 AM
Rick, that car certainly has the 60's/70's vintage look! If you hadn't told us it was a recent build, I would have thought it had been mothballed somewhere for years. Do my eyes deceive me or is that droparm made from a piece of hardwood? Nice job on the build!
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:56 AM
Got the wheels turning in my head, and that's usually not a good idea. How much do those side rails weigh all by themselves? And the droparm (I think that's sq. brass, not wood). I'm betting we could get lighter and rigiderer-er, & concentrate mass where it counts most...I got some nice 7075 bar here...hmmmmm.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:39 AM
Bill, That Droparm is .125 Square Brass, Fishmouthed at one end for tubing, and drilled/soldered for 1/8 axle pivot, I have 1 more Dragster of that design in the works, then that design is going to be End Of Lifed, Ive already started scribng out a shorter version of it to go under F/Cs.........Do my eyes deceive me or is that droparm made from a piece of hardwood? Nice job on the build!
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:56 AM
Hey and THanks for the supportive words guys I really think we can beat Husting and them other California pros to Under 1.0 seconds, I have an Original K&B I want to restore-rebuild to be Period Correct. I've ordered some 3V Arms for my Ram Motor, and some highly Unsportsman like Machine work is in the works for that Ram motor. Texas will beat California to that >1 second mark
I really think we can beat Husting and them other California pros to Under 1.0 seconds, I have an Original K&B I want to restore-rebuild to be Period Correct. I've ordered some 3V Arms for my Ram Motor, and some highly Unsportsman like Machine work is in the works for that Ram motor. Texas will beat California to that >1 second mark
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
–Von Dutch
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 09:51 AM
Nice to see that it all went together so well. It's funny to think how fast it is compared with Pittman's and Ram's on 36 volts!
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:35 AM
Thnaks Fred, As you know I've been working on it for 2 years, AT Some point I'm gona build one to take a my Magik Hawk6/27 combo and us No Coasters will beat the Left Coasters to that.990 markNice to see that it all went together so well. It's funny to think how fast it is compared with Pittman's and Ram's on 36 volts!
I'm gona Start on another K&S Kit Today
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
–Von Dutch
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 04:42 PM
I had my R&D Ram 857 magwinder down to the stopwatch 1 second range in the early 1960's at the Aurora Cycle and Hobby Dragstrip in the Chicago suburbs. The overall weight of the aluminum new car should be less that the pittman magnesium car. The magnesium was available in one inch X twelve inch pieces.
Retro drags is a good idea.
1) AMT kits with their chassis
2) FCR cars with hardbodies and NO wheelie bars.
3) True unlimited sidewinder rails......I have one started to build with an RC 10 turn Double big block.....
Retro drags is a good idea.
1) AMT kits with their chassis
2) FCR cars with hardbodies and NO wheelie bars.
3) True unlimited sidewinder rails......I have one started to build with an RC 10 turn Double big block.....
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 07:58 PM
I've decided that the next satep in the evolution is going to .459 COBALT Motors
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 03:09 PM
Already in the rules, but they only run INLINE rails??? NOT OPEN chassis design! OR any motor. Some folks have seen my old Delco fan motor (under an AMT Van) that I build in the 1960's. DC motor came out of my dads' '38 Buick - motor the size of your fist! It will torque rollover on more than 24 volts DC.
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 03:55 PM
Rickard,
How does that car function without wheelie bars?
Long wheelbase?
Drop arm?
Both?
How does that car function without wheelie bars?
Long wheelbase?
Drop arm?
Both?
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 03:58 PM
It will torque rollover on more than 24 volts DC.
Sounds like it needs "training wheels" sticking out the side LOL
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 04:06 PM
Retro drag racing from my recollection is big pad lock motors on 36v 
Nice looking Retro ride
Nice looking Retro ride
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Posted 31 March 2012 - 06:04 PM
MikeRickard,
How does that car function without wheelie bars?
Long wheelbase?
Drop arm?
Both?
it's a combination of all 3 plus exacting weighting of both the dragster and the Drop arm
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 05:46 PM
Rod & Custom Magazine had a national drag contest published in about 1961-2. We ran different voltages for different classes - basically 1,2 or 3 car batteries in series for 1)stock class/12vDC; 2)gas class/24vDC; 3)fuel class/36vDC. May have had a 6vDC battery in there to make 18v and 30v groups as well. Either way TOP FUEL RAIL was similar to wing rules group 7: ANY MOTOR, ANY CHASSIS - GO FAST>>>>
Since modern dragstrips run on one battery (12v - 13.6vDC) or hopped up to 16 volts, you may as well leave the voltage issue alone. A falcon 31awg arm would blow up real fast on 36-40 volts of battery power just like the early strombeckers did. Falcon-7 on 16vDC is quite impressive. I ran a non wheelie bar class with them when I had my strip running.
Since modern dragstrips run on one battery (12v - 13.6vDC) or hopped up to 16 volts, you may as well leave the voltage issue alone. A falcon 31awg arm would blow up real fast on 36-40 volts of battery power just like the early strombeckers did. Falcon-7 on 16vDC is quite impressive. I ran a non wheelie bar class with them when I had my strip running.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:32 AM
Thanks Larry, Now you Know what I have to do, Looks like it's 6 am , I got a key to the Track, we got 2 8D Batteries doing nothing on the King, I'm thinking Private Tuesday Morning Test Session on 36 Volts
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 03:49 PM
I'm thinking Private Tuesday Morning Test Session on 36 Volts
I'm thinking deep fried exploded FK motor.
You might also want to check to see if your timing system is running off a track power source.
I'm thinking deep fried exploded FK motor.
You might also want to check to see if your timing system is running off a track power source.
The light at the end of the tunnel is almost always a train.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:11 PM
I'm thinking Private Tuesday Morning Test Session on 36 Volts
I'm thinking deep fried exploded FK motor.
You might also want to check to see if your timing system is running off a track power source.
Deep Fried motor, I Hoping it only has to last less than a .8 of a second
I've got a couple of Hawk 6 Motors with Gp.27 Arms in them, I'm trying to fit to this car. the timing system is totally independent of track power that I Made sure of!
“I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don’t have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don’t mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don’t need much money. I believe it’s meant to be that way. There’s a ‘struggle’ you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn’t make the ‘struggle’ go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple.“
–Von Dutch
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:01 AM
My Funny car Hawk with Neos and a X12 went high .690's at 80 mph on 16 volts. A 27 isn't likely to be happy on 24 volts 36 should be entertaining.
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