Offset chassis were banned shortly after those guys started building them. They weren't legal long enough to attract any other builders.
Maybe Retro Stock Car is more popular than I realize, but I just searched the race announcements forum for the last year and only found four Retro Stock Car race announcements. For an entire year. Four races.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:27 AM
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:34 AM
At least we got it before the horse was totally out of the barn.
Never said it wasn't a tough decision but it was one made just the same. We felt strong enough about it, that Tony P voted for banning them, despite it cutting off a revenue stream for him. As a maker of brackets, same for me.
As far as legislating against complex designs, as I mentioned before, it's just not practical. What do we do? Limit bends? Amount of solder joints?
I just see Noose counting bends and solder joints at R4/6 on entrant #1's car with 69 guys waiting to tech. LOL.
Too much to do. I'm done with this.
Feel free to keep posting.
Never said it wasn't a tough decision but it was one made just the same. We felt strong enough about it, that Tony P voted for banning them, despite it cutting off a revenue stream for him. As a maker of brackets, same for me.
As far as legislating against complex designs, as I mentioned before, it's just not practical. What do we do? Limit bends? Amount of solder joints?
I just see Noose counting bends and solder joints at R4/6 on entrant #1's car with 69 guys waiting to tech. LOL.
Too much to do. I'm done with this.
Feel free to keep posting.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:51 AM
Offset chassis were banned shortly after those guys started building them. They weren't legal long enough to attract any other builders.
Maybe Retro Stock Car is more popular than I realize, but I just searched the race announcements forum for the last year and only found four Retro Stock Car race announcements. For an entire year. Four races.
Penn-Ohio is the only series that races them monthly... we run them nine times per season on both ovals and road courses.
GRRR runs them a couple of times a year. Same for Retro East. And they now only run them on road courses.
Keep in mind that they are a Tier 2 support class, but we find them fun, and a change of pace...
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:53 AM
Larry,I agree with you the Stock Car class is one of the most fun, especially on the ovals!!!
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:00 PM
At least we got it before the horse was totally out of the barn.
Matter of opinion...
Never said it wasn't a tough decision but it was one made just the same. We felt strong enough about it, that Tony P voted for banning them, despite it cutting off a revenue stream for him. As a maker of brackets, same for me.
Tony wasn't on the BoD at the time... He was a non-voting advisor.
As far as legislating against complex designs, as I mentioned before, it's just not practical. What do we do? Limit bends? Amount of solder joints?
Ask PdL. He will tell you what a 'traditional' Retro car should look like.
I just see Noose counting bends and solder joints at R4/6 on entrant #1's car with 69 guys waiting to tech. LOL.
Noose could deal with it. We add new rules all the time.
Too much to do. I'm done with this.
Me, too...
Feel free to keep posting.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:08 PM
I lost my abacus so I couldn't deal with it. LOL.
We saw more growth in the Stock Car class when we stopped running on the ovals because they became a crash fest where races took longer and more stuff was broken. The road course ones have seen a much bigger growth in the number of entrants. In our Winter Series this year we had 70 entrants for four races for an average of a little over 17 per race. The last time we ran on an oval we had ten entrants.
Ya run 'em where they like 'em. IMO, this is by far the hardest class to drive. You do well here and that is saying something.
We saw more growth in the Stock Car class when we stopped running on the ovals because they became a crash fest where races took longer and more stuff was broken. The road course ones have seen a much bigger growth in the number of entrants. In our Winter Series this year we had 70 entrants for four races for an average of a little over 17 per race. The last time we ran on an oval we had ten entrants.
Ya run 'em where they like 'em. IMO, this is by far the hardest class to drive. You do well here and that is saying something.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:36 PM
I agree with you the Stock Car class is one of the most fun, especially on the ovals!!!
Yuuuppp!!!
Hope we get a good turn-out of short track Stock Cars (Phoenix) on April 28 for GRRR.
New chassis design is on the jig.
And of course we have the Daytona.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:09 PM
The real issue is to not get involved too much with the tail wagging the dog. It's supposed to be inclusive not exclusive, remember?
The rule set as it has developed is aimed at not favoring what "you" like but what would promote more participation.
Any time a group/element/minority tries to get what they want by saying "what difference would it make?", they're attempting to get something local introduced into what is designed to not be local.
The USRA has stumbled over this countless times... adopting something a few racers or a manufacturer wanted, then discovering that most could care less, but all were stuck with it regardless.
It still comes down to if you think it's better, then vote with your feet and go where they do it your way.
I commend the Board for sticking to its guns and not changing whatever for any vocal minority with a narrow local viewpoint.
The rule set as it has developed is aimed at not favoring what "you" like but what would promote more participation.
Any time a group/element/minority tries to get what they want by saying "what difference would it make?", they're attempting to get something local introduced into what is designed to not be local.
The USRA has stumbled over this countless times... adopting something a few racers or a manufacturer wanted, then discovering that most could care less, but all were stuck with it regardless.
It still comes down to if you think it's better, then vote with your feet and go where they do it your way.
I commend the Board for sticking to its guns and not changing whatever for any vocal minority with a narrow local viewpoint.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 12:08 AM
GRRR has four oval races scheduled.
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Retro Slots @ Abbeville alternates Stockcars on the oval with F1's on the Grandstand in it's year round series.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 11:50 PM
My barber told me that the Samurai 4.5" LTO drawing is about 80% complete.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 09:27 PM
Samurai 4.5" LTO
With the nose piece and left pan out of .050" brass and the right pan out of .032" or thinner?
Drawing is not to scale.
With the nose piece and left pan out of .050" brass and the right pan out of .032" or thinner?
Drawing is not to scale.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:26 PM
Looks better in brass. .050" nosepiece and left pan, .032" right side pan...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 07:58 PM
Looks great, you've obvously been busy?
Now all you need to make is the LTO Backatcha? Even has plenty of room for the gear on the opposite side for TSR motors.
Now all you need to make is the LTO Backatcha? Even has plenty of room for the gear on the opposite side for TSR motors.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 04:49 PM
Now that is a great-looking chassis.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:09 PM
So what happens if they reverse direction on the oval? Just sayin'...
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:19 PM
Flip it 180 degrees and bend the tabs the other way. LOL.
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Wait, I've had races like that: you mean I coulda claimed it was deliberate?
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:42 PM
So what happens if they reverse direction on the oval? Just sayin...
LOL... I was thinking... how many Retro Stock Car races are held on oval tracks outside of the Penn-Ohio series???
Not many???
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:51 PM
Doesn't matter... that's where I race.
LOL and ONLY Noose would think anyone would change direction on an oval. Hahahahahah...
LOL and ONLY Noose would think anyone would change direction on an oval. Hahahahahah...
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:55 PM
So what happens if they reverse direction on the oval? Just sayin'...
Never raced on an oval yet where they turn right... LOL.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 06:57 PM
LOL... I was thinking... how many Retro Stock Car races are held on oval tracks outside of the Penn-Ohio series???
Not many???
I think GRRR races on one or two...
Lots of ovals in Penn-Ohio, and more coming.
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Never raced on an oval yet where they turn right...
Let's talk again after Election Day.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:54 PM
LOL and ONLY Noose would think anyone would change direction on an oval.
LOL and I was also thinking run every other lane in the opposite direction with the other four running the correct direction in the same race.
Lucky Bob's used to do this... quite interesting... LOL and destructive... LOL... a chassis-selling race for sure... LOL.
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LOL and I was also thinking run every other lane in the opposite direction with the other four running the correct direction in the same race.
I did that on the King...
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