52 replies to this topic

[slick in the slot]

i'm not sure why anyone would be against a 30-60 second warm up session prior to a race. sometimes we have to wait hours before a race and it would help in many ways i'm sure

[Dan Myers]

There is a 2 part problem with it Gil.

1. Lets say for example there are 18 Stock Car entries, 30 Can Am's, 30 F-1's, and 21 Flexi's. There will be 1 sit out per Stock Car race, now causing that 30-60 seconds to be 60-120 seconds per race, in the end becoming 120-240 seconds(adding 2-4 minutes to the total time). Now moving on to Can-Am and F-1 where you would have 3 groups of 10, giving you 2 sit outs per round, Part #2 (I know personally if I'm a sit-out I want my practice on Red and not White to make sure my controller is still set correctly), so if both sit outs in each of the 3 rounds feel the same way 30-60, just became 90-180 times 6(9-18 minutes). So on the high end so far we are talking 22 minutes, or about 1/2 of a 10 man Flexi Round Robin.

In the end the clock is the enemy and when we get to the tracks were we start dealing with 100 entries the last we need is another minute here minute there dragging the day out longer.

[willy wonka]

I like the idea of that at the last race at... i was in the third heat in can am so that means i sat for nearly three hours befor i got back on the track...

[One_Track_Mind]

And when you dont race stockcars that becomes almost a FIVE hour wait to get on the track again!

[Dan Ebert]

A 1 minute warm up was/is standard in other forms of Slot Racing. With sit out drivers they would be given their minute before the racers starting the heat theirs. You are talking adding at the most a half hour to the program. If we are worried about race day time, than why are we traveling to race. I would welcome that minute warm up to get my controller dialed in for the car I'm running. It would be worth the extra half hour at the end of the day.

[slick in the slot]

so vote guys! i was told at washington that if we had a favorable poll it would be instituted without delay. i was told that ors is already doing it. nothing is written in stone, if it doesn't work we can always go back to the old way

[Dennis Krivacek]

Gil....I trust you weren't referencing our conversation. If you are,
your accounts are different than mine.

[slick in the slot]

Gil....I trust you weren't referencing our conversation. If you are,
your accounts are different than mine.

no dennis, not you

[Sax555]

Day's are long And some of you what to make them longer???What's a warm up going to help ??Your not aloud to change anything on the car anyway..And if you need to set brakes and stuff like that..Mark them like i do ...When your running laps before the race..

[Dennis Krivacek]

no dennis, not you

Gil....Glad we're OK. Thank you!

[Hipsticker]

lemme speak in behalf of the C MAIN and lower cats ...theres not ONE of us that wont like a warm up half minute ..just a "couple laps" . is fine ....WERE NOT SEASONED VETERANS ..we wreck..and its moslty there on the first couple laps in a race ...we need to get adjusted after we have sat for a long time.....we cant adjust our cars but we CAN adjust our heads........how bout all the A-B mains no hot laps,,just C and below ....especcailly at big races....we have spent a lot of money to get there and race for 4 days,,what is the big deal about letting us have a meer 30 seconds to make a few laps so we dont all pile up in the deadman and end our race? i have done that and man its a bad feeling..all that time and effort to get there and in 10 seconds my race is done.. bad deal.. it dont matter on this "vote" thing .if the higher up dont want it ,it wont happen...
I do know that in some regoinal series races [Mason -Dixon comes to mind] they WANT a warm up period ...the 3 guys that organize it have raced for years and can see it helps the slower guys stay on better if they can run a bit before the race

[Dennis Krivacek]

Gary,

I don't want to speak for Gil, but I believe that this post was more Penn-Ohio specific.
Gil did approach me after the most recent Penn-Ohio race asking if I thought that
warm-up sessions would be a possibility. I assumed that Gil approached me as a Penn-Ohio
BoD member and that again, that his suggestion was aimed toward the P-O series.

[slick in the slot]

Gary,

I don't want to speak for Gil, but I believe that this post was more Penn-Ohio specific.
Gil did approach me after the most recent Penn-Ohio race asking if I thought that
warm-up sessions would be a possibility. I assumed that Gil approached me as a Penn-Ohio
BoD member and that again, that his suggestion was aimed toward the P-O series.

actually , i did not approach you as a "penn ohio" board member i was simply asking a few guys what their thoughts were. i don't know or care who is on the penn ohio board! i didn't participate in a board member vote and i don't know if any of this is democratic. i would like to think it is democratic to an extent. i've seen slot cars and r/c ruined over the years and it would be nice to know that this hobby may be receptive to the guys that participate and support it.

so far, 80% of the respondits have voted for a warm up session. that is a good majority. now will the "board members" be responsive or not?

i'll continue to race in penn ohio either way

[One_Track_Mind]

The board members were appointed by other board members. No votes as to who is on the bod.

You can only accept what the chosen has to say or simply stay at home!

[Noose]

We have had a 1 minute warm up in Retro East for some time now. It does eliminate a lot of crashes. Also, we don't run a lot of round robins so it works. When we have them, we ask the sit out guys if they want it and it they do we accomodate them.

We ran warm ups at the Sano and I know we will at the Fall Brawl. Saves for a lot of havoc for sure.

[Zippity]

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

Do you start all subsequent heats from the start line or on the lane adjacent to where they finished their prior heat?

If the later, what happens if there is a car parked in a corner or on a bend either side of the incoming racer?

How do you propose accommodating those cars?

[slick in the slot]

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

Do you start all subsequent heats from the start line or on the lane adjacent to where they finished their prior heat?

If the later, what happens if there is a car parked in a corner or on a bend either side of the incoming racer?

How do you propose accommodating those cars?

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i would suppose you give the warm up session to the sit outs when everyone else gets their warm up. a sit out will hit the track within a few minutes of their session anyway. this is about helping to overcome an hour and half and usually more of sitting around prior to your race, then coming on the track cold.

i started slot racing again after a 40+ year lay-off. back in the day we didn't have sit-outs. we started with a 30 second, or more, warm up and drove the cars to the line. that was when the lower heat had 8 guys and the top two always moved up to the next heat. this was all based on qualifying. every heat (except the lowest) had six guys. two always moved up to the next heat and the A main had only 4 reserved slots.4 of the top b main finishers moved up to the A main. no round robbins

[Zippity]

Thanks Gil.

A very tricky situation

[Bud Bartos]

They did it at the ORS race I went to in Columbus and I liked it !!!! You have the choice to run 1 lap or the whole time. I would think 30 seconds is long enough.
Also the sit out guys did there warm up when the first 8 were done so really they have to wait a bit before they hit the track but it still gives a chance to check things.

[Noose]

I am intrigued.

Are you saying that "sit-out" racers will get a 30 - 60 second warm-up period immediately prior to them competing in their first heat?

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Zip, the sit out guys get to do a warm up on the red lane where they will be coming in. Once the initial guys get theirs then the sit outs come on. Most don't take the full time and most of the time the guys just say pass and don't want it,

There is no problem then with anyone hitting cars, etc.

[Dan Myers]

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i would suppose you give the warm up session to the sit outs when everyone else gets their warm up. a sit out will hit the track within a few minutes of their session anyway. this is about helping to overcome an hour and half and usually more of sitting around prior to your race, then coming on the track cold.

i started slot racing again after a 40+ year lay-off. back in the day we didn't have sit-outs. we started with a 30 second, or more, warm up and drove the cars to the line. that was when the lower heat had 8 guys and the top two always moved up to the next heat. this was all based on qualifying. every heat (except the lowest) had six guys. two always moved up to the next heat and the A main had only 4 reserved slots.4 of the top b main finishers moved up to the A main. no round robbins

If that is the format you want Gil, I suggest you go race Retro East. Because the Penn Ohio format has worked fine with almost zero complaints from participants till now.

[Noose]

Don't worry Gil, ol Dan is coming to race in Retro East this week. He'll get a warm-up too. Maybe that's why he's coming. Lol

[Dan Myers]

I don't need the warm up cause like Sax, I mark my controller.

Gil, my reason's for not making it are personal and private.


Noose, I look forward to seeing everyone(but most of all my dear buddy JJ, and the Isle's twins those kids are a riot) Thursday around Noonish if everything goes as planned. Never been on an Englemen looks fast, hope Larry Mattingly and I have enough "Hershpower".

[Dennis Krivacek]

If that is the format you want Gil, I suggest you go race Retro East. Because the Penn Ohio format has worked fine with almost zero complaints from participants till now.

Dan....with an attitude and comments like this, the Penn-Ohio as we know it will be short-lived. If you don't care to show up at races, that is your perogative, but please refrain from the derogatory comments that will only chase racers from the P-O series. Suggestions are offered to better the series. All involved are growing tired.

[Dan Myers]

Hey Denny, where are the lap times from Can Am, F1, and Flexi.