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#1 Lowrider

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

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Announcing the ‘Lucky 13’ International Thingie Proxy Series.

Utilizing the lessons learned from the SunChaser and Dynamic series, we’re on our way around the world again. Firm destinations at this point are London and Newcastle in the UK, Mentor, OH and St Louis, MO in the USA and Sydney, Australia. More will be added before the series starts in April 2013.

The theme this time around will be Hot Rod culture and art and with this in mind, flame paint jobs on the car bodies will be requirement #1.

My plan is for a minimum of 10 cars (and a maximum of 20) to do 12 races with a concours competition, judged by Edo – the Thingie Kingie, providing additional points to bring us up to the Lucky 13 mark. The expressions of interest from builders that I have received so far leave me confident of meeting the minimum number of cars. Entry is open to all on a first come, first served basis until the maximum number of cars is reached.

The emphasis in this series will be on shorter, flat (for the most part) ‘club’ tracks rather than commercial raceways so gearing choices for the cars should be simplified to a degree. One of the lessons to be taken from earlier international proxy series is the intention here to condense the time the series is on the road as far as is possible. With this in mind, the cars will have more ‘spec’ parts than in previous series to enable car servicing to be done when necessary at the host venue rather than having cars mailed home between rounds for the owners to repair them. Specified parts will include motors, which will be screw mounted only, 3/32” rear axles and 48 pitch gearing. ‘Retro’ standard .800” wide x .820” diameter rear tires will also be required. The logic behind this is that a smaller pool of spare parts will then be needed to travel with the cars.

The cars themselves will be based on inline ‘Retro’ cars with certain extra freedoms of expression. Specified motors will be the Evil 9 from Trinity and the Demon from Fast Ones. These are FK motors with shafts from both ends and, to the best of my knowledge, are the same motor with only the labels to distinguish between them. In deference to the views of Tony P, the race heats will be limited to 2 minutes duration at all the venues to help lengthen motor life, but replacement of faulty units should be a simple job with no vintage parts this time to consider. ‘Evil’ and ‘Demon’ fit well with the Lucky 13 and Hot Rod ethos I’m aiming at with this series so no other FK motors will be permitted at this time.

The car’s chassis must be built from brass rod, plate and tubing and steel ‘piano’ wire. Three-sided motor brackets (with provision for screw mounting the motors) and purpose designed guide tongues from commercial sources may be used but no Retro chassis kit based cars, please. Departures from the Retro norm will be the permitted use of O-ring front wheels, freedom of front axle design and no restrictions on chassis hinges and movement. The car must rest on four wheels without the guide for support and maintain a minimum .015” front ground clearance when so doing. Building the chassis with the motor flat in a straight mesh bracket plus the use of .820” rear tires should enable the cars to start the series with .062” rear ground clearance. When each car falls below a minimum rear clearance, to be determined by the host venue, the rear tires will be replaced from the series pool of parts.

The Retro maximum chassis width of 3.125” will be maintained.

Bodies should be generally recognized as Thingies. Newly created bodies are particularly welcome. Flame paint jobs, as mentioned previously, will be mandatory. Creativity in body choice and decoration are strongly encouraged, along with originality in chassis design, and, at Edo’s discretion, concours points should reflect this.

Round 1 will be held at the North London club in early April 2013.

Gentlemen, to the workbench ...
Steve-a-roonie Kempson




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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

I repectfully request to enter a car. :D
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

Me too Low, I've been looking forward to this announcement.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

Pablo and The Chief are 'In'.
Thanks, guys.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

Me three!! :crazy:
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:20 PM

Me four!

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

Any one want to make some "Lucky 13" stickers to be placed on all cars???
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

I would like to participate............
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:53 PM

I want on the band wagon too, please.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:59 PM

Me too!
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:16 PM

Any one want to make some "Lucky 13" stickers to be placed on all cars???


Please, none for me: I don't think I'm gonna have room in the paint scheme.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

What they said...except for what Duffmeister said as i would wan't one but then for my box :sun_bespectacled:

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

Sounds good. :)

Just got a coupla queries tho;

The "race heats will be limited to 2 minutes duration at all the venues to help lengthen motor life"
Is this redardless if venue is 4, 6, or 8 lanes?
Total racing time on track will vary quite a bit. (8 mins Vs 16 mins)

"Building the chassis with the motor flat in a straight mesh bracket"
Is this a comment, or a rule that the motor must be flat (parallel) with the track, and must be conventional gear mesh (no hypoid)

Not trying to rock the boat here. Either way is OK with me, just curious to know your preferences.
:huh:

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:07 PM

What they said...except for what Duffmeister said as i would wan't one but then for my box :sun_bespectacled:

Wull, yuh, mee tooo - once I figured out what I/you/we had said there...
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

I love the rules you made here, Steve-a-roonie. :D

Just one question so far:

Are "Choti" style bodies legal, or do they have to be "hot rod" style bodies ?
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:25 PM

Pablo,
The rule is that ANY thingie body is legal and that includes Choti bodies.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

:sun_bespectacled:

As I meaned on the other site, count me in Sir Steve :good:

Time to create a new body style and/or revamp and old one :laugh2:

3 1/4" wide Tarantula maybe ???? or a 3 1/4" Mach 1 etc..... :dash2:
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

3.125 is 3 1/8" Ray.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

3 1/4" wide Tarantula maybe ???? or a 3 1/4" Mach 1 etc...


3.125 is 3 1/8" Ray.


But the rule says "chassis width 3.125" - can't the bodies splay out beyond, as they do now in Ret-Ro Racing?
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:59 PM

Yes, but if Ray is making some new bodies... why would he go full width?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:07 PM

Okay, not really immersed in this enough to comment heavy, but - both the Mach 1 and Tarantula are shaped with elements that curve past, or arc over, the chassis/tyre width. I meant my comment to address those specific departures.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

Me ten!


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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:40 AM

Are steel commercial tongues permitted ?
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:06 AM

:D That's the chassis width, 3 1/8", Steve meantioned , doesn't meantion body width limations, give or take a 1/8" on width, want to allow for shrinkage :crazy:
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:50 AM

Now I have to decide..... because I have 3 other proxies also starting in April.....
Thanks Steve-a-Ronnie!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:57 AM

Thanks for all the interest guys.
I thought I'd be doing well to make the minimum entry of racers but I think we're up around 20 already including the Facebook people. I'm happy to accept all stated entries up to this point even if that takes us over 20 but anyone from here on should regard their entry as conditional until I've added everyone up.

Questions:
Lucky 13 stickers would be great but I don't have the facility to manufacture them. If anyone wants to use the Darryl Vance artwork above (thanks again, Durl) and make some up, I'd be okay with that.

Choti bodies are fine, and there are plenty of other high downforce options available too. No added spoilers or wings though, please.

Steel guide tongues are fine, Pablo.

3.125" is the maximum chassis and wheel width. If a body overlaps this slightly, I don't mind. Too much and you'll be hindered on track. Way too much and I'll be reaching for the scissors. It may not be pretty ...

I've been thinking about chassis designs and one aspect of the Retro regulations I'd like to keep is the need for the front and rear of the chassis to be solidly connected via main rails on each side of the motor rather than a central hinge.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:57 PM

Thanks for all the interest guys.
I thought I'd be doing well to make the minimum entry of racers but I think we're up around 20 already including the Facebook people. I'm happy to accept all stated entries up to this point even if that takes us over 20 but anyone from here on should regard their entry as conditional until I've added everyone up.

Questions:
Lucky 13 stickers would be great but I don't have the facility to manufacture them. If anyone wants to use the Darryl Vance artwork above (thanks again, Durl) and make some up, I'd be okay with that. Durl is the man !!

Choti bodies are fine, and there are plenty of other high downforce options available too. No added spoilers or wings though, please.
Does not exclude molded in spoilers & Wings then ??? :crazy: just asking.
Steel guide tongues are fine, Pablo.

3.125" is the maximum chassis and wheel width. If a body overlaps this slightly, I don't mind. Too much and you'll be hindered on track. Way too much and I'll be reaching for the scissors. It may not be pretty ...Will keep them just a little bit wider then :laugh2:

I've been thinking about chassis designs and one aspect of the Retro regulations I'd like to keep is the need for the front and rear of the chassis to be solidly connected via main rails on each side of the motor rather than a central hinge.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:42 PM

Thanks for all the interest guys.
I thought I'd be doing well to make the minimum entry of racers but I think we're up around 20 already including the Facebook people. I'm happy to accept all stated entries up to this point even if that takes us over 20 but anyone from here on should regard their entry as conditional until I've added everyone up.


Why only 20? You have that many in a day after announcing the race. This is something I have layin' around as a play car that could be sent. Just need a new Evil Motor.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

Dennis, Probably because we learned that it's very expensive to move a huge bunch of cars from track to track through the course of a series.
But... I have a solution for Steve.
Hold a qualification run at the first race. Then only the top 20 cars move onto the next race.

I know for a fact that if my car does poorly, I would rather NOT watch it do poorly race after race anyway! (speaking from experience here.)
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

So no centre line hinge then... thanks for stating that early on Steve. As my mind was whirling already on a pointless journey. So, design idea #2 to the fore. Onwards.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

I have no clue what a "center hinge" is ?????
Been building IRRA chassis for several years and I know IRRA does not permit them.
??
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

.I've been thinking about chassis designs and one aspect of the Retro regulations I'd like to keep is the need for the front and rear of the chassis to be solidly connected via main rails on each side of the motor rather than a central hinge.


You have used the "retro" term several times here. Are these chassis to be Retro in the style of what is being raced in IRRA Can Am events? Are they "retro" chassis with thingie bodies? Other than one main rail on each side of the motor and no center hinge, what are the limitations? What is specifically allowed?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

I have no clue what a "center hinge" is ?????
Been building IRRA chassis for several years and I know IRRA does not permit them.
??
Thanks :o

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Try this :

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Right in front of the motor box is the much-feared "centerline hinge". It is a way of making a very flexible chassis that does not hop an dbounce under acceleration. The hinge allows the frame to flex in torsion along the longitudinal centerline but does not allow it to bow across the middle when the power is applied. Especially useful in Eurosport cars.

I hope this helps.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

Ok..............I see the no Center Hinge...................I do Not see one rail on each side........I would think multiple rails would be ok.......We have a lot of time..................just want to start off on the correct path
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:06 PM

Thanks Dennis :good:
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

Thanks for the centre hinge explanation, Dennis. Clearer and more succinct than I could have managed.

Minimum of one rail per side I should have said, Ray.

To Mike K. - I've used the term 'Retro' to encompass the cars raced in the IRRA ™, SCRRA, etcetera, Retro Can-Am classes. The differences I'm allowing beyond a regular Can-Am chassis are: hinges in more than one direction (with the no central hinge proviso mentioned above), O-ring front wheels (a long standing Thingie tradition) and the freedom to use drop front axles or stub front axles if you choose. The motors are limited to the Evil 9 and Demon FK motors, which to the best of my knowledge are only permitted in our UKRRA Can-Am class at present. Motors mounted with screws only, .800"w x .820"d tires, 3/32" rear axles and 48 pitch gears are also specified. The latter are to allow easier maintenance on the car's journey. Rear ground clearance is set at .062" at the first race rather than the .050" Can-Am norm.

The 20 car maximum figure was chosen, as Jairus correctly stated, to make transport around the world easier to manage. I'll come back tomorrow with a full list of accepted entrants from both here and Facebook and we can go forward from there.

Thanks for all the interest. Much appreciated.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:15 PM

I'm totally stoked out of my mind. :D :dance3:

Now, where did I put those doggone Parma flame masks ? :laugh2: :crazy:
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:19 AM

Now, where did I put those doggone Parma flame masks ? :laugh2: :crazy:

They're under the filing cabinet. :clapping: They should still be good after 15 years.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:23 AM

Dennis, are you participating in some shape or form? :drinks:
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:29 AM

Sums are done.
We have 21 confirmed entries, plus Barney Poyner who expressed an interest before the deadline but hasn't said whether or not he's building a car yet. If you want in, Barney, you'd be very welcome.

Confirmed Entries:

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Brian McPherson
Darryl Vance
David 'Maximo' Siller
Jaak Beentjes
Jairus Watson
Jim Struckel
John Austin
Kevin Cosgrove
Mark Patterson
Mike Zimmerman
Pablo Wolcott
Ray Fellows
Ray Price
Rod Morrison
Sam Weldon
Steve Kempson
Steve King
Steve Ploskunak
Team Evil Minnows (Duffy, Marty Stanley and Rick Moore)

In light of the higher than expected numbers, Kathryn has elected to withdraw her entry and will be assisting me with mine.

We also have a post-deadline 'reserve list', in no particular order:

Dennis 'Foamy' Hill
Gary Vogeler
Andy Brown-Searle
Graham Walker
Tony 'Bigtone'

Graham may be forming a team with his fellow Bolton racer Sam Weldon if Sam agrees.
'Bigtone' is the builder of the very fine Deltawing slot car that was featured here a few days ago, by the way. An obviously talented solderer.

I'm sad to be turning people away from the series but next April is a long way away and people have been known to drop out from these series in the past, even with the best of intentions.

In other news, Steve Ploskunak will be holding a round of the series on the UK Black track of Washington Slotcar Raceway in Canonsburg, PA. Great looking track and many thanks to Steve for volunteering.

Regards,

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

Technical question:
My measurements and math tell me a JK non-hypoid (straight mesh) bracket needs a tire of approx. .850 OD
to make the bottom of the bracket and motor clear .062
Please, can somebody double check this.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:21 PM

Steve,

It is wonderful that this proxy is over subscribed. It is also great that there is a reserve list. I think considering how many want to be a part of this series it is only fair that if (heaven forbid) any of the confirmed entrants are in any doubt that they will turn up then they let you know asap so you can allow a reserve builder to take their place, and should (between now and let's say end of Feb) circumstances change for any of the confirmed entrants such that they will not be able to build a flame belching hot-rodded monster thingie, then they do likewise. (I am of course including myself).

It would be fantastic to have a full grid come lights-out without any last minute drop-outs too late in the day for a reserve to be entered. So, maybe to help us acheive this, we should have an early build-completion deadline/entry confirmation date. Giving time for reserves to be brought in if needed.

Just thinking out loud...

As far as I am concerned, I will be purchasing some parts this weekend, I have already begun sketching a few body ideas, and will be laying down a few chassis plans shortly. I don't want to end up rushing this one like I did the last. I want my bearings in the correct way around, I want my tyres firmly glued to the hub and I want time to produce a fine livery (that remains adhered to the body). Also, I'd like my car to have had some track time before battle commences.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:19 PM

I'm in!

Barney Poynor
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

just to let every one know me and Graham Walker have now teamed up for this event

​ Sam. Weldon.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:30 PM

Steve,

Good thing we have about 4 months before it starts which means i can start saving Posted Image
when one has acquired a proper amount of funds where could we get these motors?

I would love to ride under the number 77 again and will cal my entry Blaze.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:54 PM

Put me on the reserve list... Think I already have a chassis for this built, just have to get Ray to dust off one of his old molds.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

... where could we get these motors?

If you can't get them locally, then PCH is one place where you can get both.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

I may team up with Ralph Klose I'll check back soon as we talk.

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Hello my name is Barney and I was... I am addicted to glue, magnets, and wings... I have been clean and sober years now... NOW I'm hooked on 1/32 club track racing! Dang!
 

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:04 AM

Say hi to Ralph from me. :victory:

Been a long time since i have seen any of him around, he was one of the people who helped me on my feet in Thingieland when i just started.


Thanks for the link Steve, :good:
I just found out AB Slotsport stocks them so that is where i will get mine.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:40 AM

Steve,

Jairus "Arteest" Watson and David "Maximo" Siller are officially teaming up to allow and enable more entries!
More details to follow...!

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