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[Steve Okeefe]

Mabuchi FT-16D Type 1 Spotter's Guide

 

 

 

 

[TSR]

Hi Steve, very good, I will get you a few more, but I do not believe that there ever was a black Champion using that can? 

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

It's been YEARS since I first put this collection together - before I was keeping adequate records of why I put things in and left things out.  As I've said before, I was doing this on a shoestring and scraping for every bit of data.  Sometimes I would include things that looked good but was without solid references.

 

Since then I try ALWAYS to have some kind of published info or verified photos.  Good research discipline but man it slows things down!

 

I have no proof the black Champion motor belongs in there - if you believe it does not belong there, I will have no problem taking it out  .

 

While we're at this - I'm curious as hell about the MURA KAMIKAZI:

 

1. Did Mura ever produce any other motors using any other Simco endbell?

 

2. Is the BLUE endbell the only color they used (I have several RED Simco endbells I'd like to use).

 

Steve

[TSR]

Steve, I understand and you are doing a terrific job!

 

Mura produced two "Kamakazi" motors, the "I" is the FT16 with blue Simco endbell, the other is the "II" that is an FT26 also light/medium metallic blue with blue endbell.

 

I have never seen another Mura motor with Simco endbell than those two, and there are none listed other than those two in the catalogs I got from Ron Mura.

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

Good!  Now I need to fix the name of the FT-16 "Kamikazi I", and add a new FT-26 drawing of the "Kamakazi II". 

 

Keep it coming!

 

Steve

[TSR]

I will get pictures for you in 2 weeks.

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

I know you're a busy guy, but it's been eight weeks; did you have a chance to dig up those photos?

[TSR]

I forgot...   I am putting it on my list for my next visit at the LASCM.

 

Here is a new one in that series with blind bushing and heat sinks I had never seen:

 

 

 

Anyone has any info on this "MSC" company? 

 

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

There are hundreds (literally) of meanings for the acronym "MSC" (www.acronymfinder.com has 181 confirmed and 250 in their "attic").

 

I see an FT-16D type 1... similar to a Russkit 23.

 

Note it appears to be a timed motor (in this case clockwise), has strange shape brush springs, matte (as opposed to bright) finish brush holders and is painted a color (metallic green) I've never seen on any other "stock" Mabuchi motor.

 

On the other hand, Mabuchi made lots of FT-16 and FT-16D motors for customers that had nothing to do with the slot car industry.  Could this be one of them?

 

What kind of comm does it have (molded or white delrin)?

[Lone Wolf]

Steve, I don't know if you are looking for variations on blind bearing motors but here is one you don't have listed. By D&H Electronics which I believe was a small husband and wife team in N.J. but I may be wrong. They had an ad or two in early mags. As a side note, the motor bracket shown was included. Thanks for your effort in putting this together. Joe

 

P.S. Love that MSC motor Philippe, may be the only one in existence, who knows?

 

[don.siegel]

Hmm, I was just about to add the D&H, and then I see that Joe has put it up! There must not be a lot of these around: one came up on ebay in a car last year, and I think that's the first I've seen. Anybody have any packaging?

 

Steve, the only other stock one of these I've seen is in a bag by Cobra, and a couple of these have been sold on ebay in recent years, without any fanfare. In a plastic bag with heading card, if I remember right, and a dark gray can.... will try getting you a photo. Don't remember these at the time... maybe Cobra just added these later in the game to get rid of some miscellaneous stock...

 

How does the designation for something like the Russkit 23 differ from something like the K&B Wildcat, pretty much the same thing, but with the floating can bearing?

 

Don

[TSR]

There are actually a lot more "rewinds" using the early FT16 can with the updated FT16D endbell with brush heat sinks. I had never seen that MSC before, and there is little doubt that it is indeed a slot car motor and not something for other uses.
As far as the funny way the springs are shaped, could be MSC mods OR a later change by an owner. Looks like the springs are from an FT36D motor, shortened and re-shaped. I will know more when the LASCM will receive the motor from Rick.

 

Mabuchi may have sold FT16 and FT16D motors for other applications than slot car racing, but that motor as well as the FT13UO and the FT36, was originally designed specifically for slot car use.
 

The D&H Electronics motor also comes with an orange or red can, meaning that just as Dyna Rewind, the people there got their hands on whatever they could from wherever to make their rewinds.

[Steve Okeefe]

Joe,

 

Darn'd if it ain't... missing!  You're right, thank you!  I've seen these advertised but (obviously) it never occurred to me to include it.  It will go in the "rewound" section.

 

Don,

 

The Russkit 23 I call a "type 1" FT-16D: Type 1 because it has a blind button can bushing, and FT-16D because it has brush holders and a spring post upper left instead of upper right.  The K&B Wildcat is a "type 2" FT-16D because it has the floating (a.k.a. gimbel) can bearing.  The Russkit 23 is the only stock Mabuchi FT-16D type 1 motor I know about or have ever heard of.

 

Actually, I adopted the terms "type 1", "type 2", "type 3", etc. to append the designation FT-16D from something Philippe wrote.  He started it; let's blame him!

 

Steve

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

Please let us know if/when you find out more about that MSC motor.  I'll be happy to add it to the chart along with the red D&H and the orange D&H.

 

In fact, I'd be happy to add anything else you know about in the way of "rewound" FT-16D type 1 motors; just send me a list of names and can colors, and I'll take care of the rest.

 

Steve

[TSR]

Roger-wilco! 

[HarV Wallbanger III]

Hey P ....so I guess you got that one off ebay today??? I saw it and wazzzz going ta bid but....

[TSR]

Barn,

Not me, I never buy ANY vintage slot car stuff. Scott did on my recommendation.

[don.siegel]

Here's the stock Cobra motor I was talking about. What do you guys think? Those lead wires look a bit more modern than ca 1965, but there's still the $3.29 price tag.... It was hard to get the right color, but it's a very dark gray, I would say more than on a regular Revell motor, which is the only dark gray one that springs to mind... 

 

 

[Lone Wolf]

Steve, here's a couple more I found. Top 3 are Revell, Nickel? plated, silver painted and standard gray. There's a French there in case anyone wants to see one in person. The blue oval hole is used by Scalextric I believe and a Cox chrome can. Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

P.S. I have not seen the D&H 16 in any other color. I have a D&H 26D in orange.

[TSR]

Joe,

All of these except for the blue Johnson (used on Scalextric 1970s cars), are Mabuchi FT16 of the early type and not of the "D" type with heat sinks on the brushes... so unfortunately not relevant to this particular thread. 

 

The nickel plated Revell motors are the final expression of the 1963 through 1965 Mabuchi FT16 and have either brown or green plastic comms. The dark gray motor can be of 3 different types... The Cox TTX100 (chrome can with black endbell) represents the third generation, with what will be the armature for the upcoming FT16D. The comm is either brown or green plastic on those. 

 

Here's the stock Cobra motor I was talking about. What do you guys think?

 

Don,

those Cobra motors are basically leftover motors at Polk's, sold for little to Lou Graziano by the Polks and re-bagged with added lead wires (the original were already dried up and broken off the terminals) in Cobra packing and liquidated in the early 1970s. These are FT16 of the original 1963 type, as seen inside Aristo-Craft packaging. Some of these were apart and got put back together with Mabuchi or Tradeship black endbells depending on availability.

[Lone Wolf]

Got you Boss. I was just looking at the blind bearing end. I need to pay more attention.

 

I still have my 4th grade report card in which the teacher states " Joe has a brilliant mind but needs to be continually challenged. He daydreams constantly in class "

 

No, I did not pay the teacher for that "brilliant" part

[TSR]

Just wait when you get to be my age, and then you forget to take it out before peeing. 
 

[TSR]

As promised (yes, I know, a long time ago...) here are pics of the two Mura motors, Kamakazi I and II:

 

Kamakazi I, based on a Russkit 22 or 23 (impossible to tell) with SimCo endbell and Pittman brushes:

 

 

Kamakazi II is an FT26 motor, SimCo endbell, Pittman brushes:

 

 

 

I think that its packaging is quite rare nowadays. In fact i have as yet to see another...

[Steve Okeefe]

Philippe,

 

Excellent...  Thank you.

 

What ever happened with the Green MSC motor (reference posts 8 and 9)?  Did it arrive and which type of comm does it have; molded or white Delrin?

[TSR]

It has what appears to be a Tradeship comm with brown plastic...