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[proptop]

Paul,

I'm not sure Mura ever wound 36D motors. French might have been the first "company" to sell rewinds nationwide as his first generation (Russkit 22 painted white) are a fairly common find along with white over-painted 36Ds. Lenz wound 36Ds that were Russkits painted metallic blue.

If Mura did wind some 36s they would most likely be painted metallic lime green.

 

 

IIRC (Hi Dokk ) Mura rewound some FT-36's for Dynamic...Green Hornet...and they were (yep) light metallic green...

I'm not sure though if Mura also sold them as "Mura" labeled motors...?

 

On a side note...the FT-36D's that Monty Ohren did about 10 or so years ago, for the BP hardbody cars, used 25 single or 28 double winds...(don't recall exact # of turns, but it was somewhere around 35-40 turns I think?) Completely "Bulletproofed" endbell w/ modern hardware, Arco mags, BB's etc. etc.

[TSR]

Mura had their own rewound FT36 motors but they are today quite scarce. It is an early number in the Mura catalog, the endbell-side driven version is M-11:

 

 

 

[SlotStox#53]

Single 25# or double 28# in a big block! Nice

Thanks for the pics Philippe ,any motor with "Mura" on it makes you

[Champion 507]

Yeah, I was going after a metallic green Mura 36D can (maybe with magnets) a couple years ago on ebay and Scott Bader with his sniper bidding program saw to it that those of us with less than a million dollars don't have a chance in his high priced world.

[TSR]

I found another in the museum's vault, new in its original box:

 

 

It is obvious that even if the arm was more radical than that of the Champion 707, the Champion motor would still be king of the hill because of its superior magnets, and in their ball-bearing version with Cycolac air cooled endbell, much more enduring. But the Mura FT36D motors are quite rare and in 15 years, we only have found the three examples you see in these pages...

 

 

[Hworth08]

Thanks for the photos Dokk, those are the only Mura 36ers I've seen.

A $14.95 price explains why they are rare.

The Screamer 1 was Mura's 16D with the #M22 number that was only $8.95 and advertised to turn a 150,000 RPM.
Maybe three combined could turn that! LOL

[Mark Johnson]

I like 42of 27 with arcos for a smooth roadrace type wind .

[havlicek]

I like 42of 27 with arcos for a smooth roadrace type wind .

 

 

Sounds about perfect to me!

 

-john

[Mark Johnson]

Monogram sold a 36d with 60t of 28 and called it a 3.5 volt or some such thing . Considering that that would live a while with stock magnets

and had a mabuchi com a 27 wind with arcos is not very wild . As the wind gets more aggressive you have to gear deeper or you lose to

much brakes and build to much heat . Ya gotta use the good com also .I have taken these as far as 21t of 24 with a 16 mag neo set up,

but that is for pure acceleration work or drill motor replacement .

[Hworth08]

All said and done, good chance in 1966 a racer would have bolted in a 707 geared 2.5:1 and let the good times roll.

[SlotStox#53]

All said and done, good chance in 1966 a racer would have bolted in a 707 geared 2.5:1 and let the good times roll.

Sounds FUN Don

[don.siegel]

To answer the original questions... 

 

In the 1967 Champion catalog (which probably came out in late 66), they list the 705 for battery power tracks, with 50 turns of 27, and the Champion 707 (plain or ball bearing on both models), wound with 50 turns of 28 wire for transformer powered tracks. A new 707 Mabuchi case with Arcos does show the shim on the bottom, along with the usual shims behind the magnets. 

 

In Philippe's Champion motor story, he refers to the 707 with 27 wire. 

 

Don 

[TSR]

The "hot" 707s had 27 AWG wire, when many (most) raceways switched to battery power. However, there was a "28" wire motor for the lower power provided by 12-volt transformers on older tracks.

[TSR]

Lots and lots of different varieties, in just a year...