The last three weeks or so, I've noticed the fast guys on the flat track have been running the Red Fox guide flag.
After testing an RTR F1 car Ray built for a customer and turning an incredible time with it, last night I went ahead and did an A-B test with my car. While I was only able to test on the flat track, I'm 99% convinced they are an advantage.
I had a fair amount in stock and bought up all I could find.
They will be available to Sano participants in limited numbers. There will be a 2-3 piece maximum until I'm sure everyone at the race who wants them, has them.
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, Oct 09 2007 09:14 PM
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:14 PM
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:17 PM
Set three aside for me, Mike!
What guide did you A-B 'em against? Not the Slick 7, I hope!
What guide did you A-B 'em against? Not the Slick 7, I hope!
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:20 PM
A cut-down Koford.
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:32 PM
How about posting a pic??? The number of cars I am bringing probably exceeds my allotment.
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:46 PM
Better bring a guide nut wrench. 
The thickness tapers to 3-4 thou wider on the bottom. The blade also angles down longer front and back.
The bottom of the blade measures about 1.057 vs. .980 for the Koford.
They also are very hard and require frequent oiling and a lot of "back and forth" when threading them.
The thickness tapers to 3-4 thou wider on the bottom. The blade also angles down longer front and back.
The bottom of the blade measures about 1.057 vs. .980 for the Koford.
They also are very hard and require frequent oiling and a lot of "back and forth" when threading them.
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:10 PM
Dood, I'm gonna need some lead and won't be going anywhere to get some before leaving Thursday morning.
If you have some, Mike, put it back with my name on it. I'll pay with slices of Pizza Hut pizza!
If you have some, Mike, put it back with my name on it. I'll pay with slices of Pizza Hut pizza!
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:57 PM
No problem, I have two thicknesses in stock.
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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:28 PM
The Speed FX and JK Cheetah 11 chassis pics I posted earlier this week sport the Red Fox guide flag (as do my Sano cars).How about posting a pic???
So much for that speed secret...
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:12 AM
Courtesy of ABSlotSport:
"Precision moulded in a super tough, glass filled polymer, "The Guide" is available in standard or cut-down versions. The guide blade features a taper design, with the widest section at the base of the blade to reduce friction when cornering. The guide post has a 3 degree rake to ensure perfect braid contact without having to modify chassis guide plates."
Anyone remember the "Steube" guide, besides Mr Steube, that is!
It had three or four "ribs" along both sides of the blade. I always wanted one, only because they looked so cool!
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Russell
"Precision moulded in a super tough, glass filled polymer, "The Guide" is available in standard or cut-down versions. The guide blade features a taper design, with the widest section at the base of the blade to reduce friction when cornering. The guide post has a 3 degree rake to ensure perfect braid contact without having to modify chassis guide plates."
Anyone remember the "Steube" guide, besides Mr Steube, that is!
It had three or four "ribs" along both sides of the blade. I always wanted one, only because they looked so cool!
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:36 AM
IIRC, the early jet flags had this reverse taper as well. I might have a couple lying around that I bought in bulk "in the day" and dyed pink (they were supposed to be red but turned out pink).
It was common practice back then to immerse the flags in boiling water for 10 mins or so - it toughened them up somehow so they didn't break as easy, according to the slot urban legends.
It was common practice back then to immerse the flags in boiling water for 10 mins or so - it toughened them up somehow so they didn't break as easy, according to the slot urban legends.
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:47 AM
MG, here's a tip that most certainly isn't an urban legend, as it I heard it from a tool and die maker for a leading company in the electrical connector business.
To toughen nylon guide flags, boil them in ethylene gycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) for ten minutes or so. Just be careful about ventilation and make certain not to use the missus' favorite pan...
To toughen nylon guide flags, boil them in ethylene gycol (i.e. automotive antifreeze) for ten minutes or so. Just be careful about ventilation and make certain not to use the missus' favorite pan...
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:03 PM
Interesting tip... what colour are they when they come out of the batch?
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:07 PM
MG, I never said I had actually tried it.
Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
But I suspect it would depend on the color and amount of dye in the antifreeze. Since there really isn't much dye, as compared to Rit, I doubt you'd see much color change.
Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
But I suspect it would depend on the color and amount of dye in the antifreeze. Since there really isn't much dye, as compared to Rit, I doubt you'd see much color change.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:16 PM
"Peak" blue would be OK but "Prestone" da-glo yellow would be so un-sano.
That's thirty minutes away. I'll be there in ten.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 01:41 PM
Please describe "pinning" in more detail. Are you drilling through the guidepost and into the blade then gluing in a length of piano wire?Since I started "pinning" my guide flags, I've not had to resort to such techniques...
I'm still in the "boiling" stage for nylon guides amd other pieces. I do have my own Pyrex pot.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 03:48 PM
Tip from Texas: If you go slow enough, you won't break your guide post. 
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:00 PM
The ultimate tech tip... the invisible guide. That way you can scoot past everyone in those esses!
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 04:14 PM
The Rocky Mountain way - that's what the red wire is for....
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 06:13 PM
Russell,
I recall the Steube flags. I used to use them back around 1970. Not sure how much the ribs helped, but it made me feel like I might have an advantage.
I recall the Steube flags. I used to use them back around 1970. Not sure how much the ribs helped, but it made me feel like I might have an advantage.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:13 PM
Bill,
Yep, I extend the hole in the Parma blade guides down into the blade about 1/3 to 1/2 it's height and insert a piece of 1/16" piano wire. I used to CA the wire in, but the nylon closes up enough after drilling that now I just drive it in and it never comes out.
BTW, the pink Nylon blades are the only ones I use. The black filled Nylon guides are much more brittle.
Yep, I extend the hole in the Parma blade guides down into the blade about 1/3 to 1/2 it's height and insert a piece of 1/16" piano wire. I used to CA the wire in, but the nylon closes up enough after drilling that now I just drive it in and it never comes out.
BTW, the pink Nylon blades are the only ones I use. The black filled Nylon guides are much more brittle.
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:24 PM
People, please get real, this is D3, not GP-7...!!! 
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Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:34 PM
P,
Some of us don't drive as well as you do and the wall can be very unforgiving.
And I HATE breaking posts on guide flags...
Some of us don't drive as well as you do and the wall can be very unforgiving.
And I HATE breaking posts on guide flags...
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