163 replies to this topic

[Rick]

I am not sure if this is good news or bad news? LOL...

[John Streisguth]

Don't get too excited about this race. It's a track that is well suited to FK motors. I won the summer Can-Am race with a TSR, which proved on this track, the FK motors work as well as the PD motors. 

Even in the A Main, you'll get a fair number of track calls so if you gain five or six feet every time that happens from roll, you gain a lot of ground on a 120' track.

[MSwiss]

Don't get too excited about this race.

Then you can get excited about me TQ'ing and running fast race lap on a Gerding super-duper speedway King with a motor with well over two hours on it.

[MSwiss]

Don't get too excited about this race.

Or you can get excited, with proof that these $12.95 motors will run at least five races, that you have $2.59 invested in your HP for the race, about 40 cents less than the McRib you invested in for lunch. LOL.

[stemmy]

Hmmm. Would anyone like to buy thirteen PS4002BB motors?

[Gator Bob]

I am not sure if this is good news or bad news? LOL...

 
Reader dependent.
 

Don't get too excited about this race. It's a track that is well suited to FK motors. I won the summer Can-Am race with a TSR, which proved on this track, the FK motors work as well as the PD motors.

Even in the A Main, you'll get a fair number of track calls so if you gain five or six feet every time that happens from roll, you gain a lot of ground on a 120' track.

 
Yup... coasting on track calls... what a way to gain spots, it was fun(ny) for a while but... it don't feel very Retro to me when 'passing' is done with the power off.
 
I must have Pinewood Derby Syndrome.
"Love RollerCoaster" racin?  Say what?

[stemmy]

I personally think that you should regulate what motor can be used in race. Kind of disappointing getting to the track after you spend hundreds on Puppy Dogs and find out everyone is running FK motors sailing right past you.

[MSwiss]

FK motors have been legal in the IRRA™ since day one in 2007.

[stemmy]

I know that, Mr. Swiss.

So you're saying I should just put the hundreds of dollars in Puppy Dogs on the shelf. I'd rather the race either be FK or a Puppy Dog. Not both. I personally don't like either option but would rather have the FK motors.

[MSwiss]

Sounds like you'll make that $12.95/$2.59 per race, investment, next time you race at Fast Tracks.

[Rick]

That doesn't make it correct. One motor should be designated in a class.
 
Mixing the motors up, especially with this new player, will not be a plus, but a minus for Retro racing. I have already gotten PMs about this situation and those that are vested in PD motors are not pleased.

You guys are at liberty to write the final chapter, choose wisely...

[stemmy]

For a hobby that's supposed to take the motor out the equation, that seems to be all we talk about. I don't believe racing FK and PDs together is a good thing. Races either need to be all PD or FK. Not both.

[Samiam]

I'm puttin' my asbestos boxer shorts on now.
 
Besides... I heard it was all set-up and tuning.Motor means nothing. At least that's what a lot of people said during a previous flame fest. So everyone who dismissed motor performance as a factor please refrain from commenting here.
 
Besides, we've spent way more on hotels and food then on motors.

[MSwiss]

That doesn't make it correct. One motor should be designated in a class.

Huh? As mentioned a couple posts ago, IRRA™ has permitted FKs since its inception.

There have always been fast FKs.

I remember seeing someone turn a 4.88 with a Falcon 7 at R4/2 in 2009.

The fast race lap for the previous two GTC-FK winners was much faster than this year's winner, running the Retro Hawk.

So Jerry is wrong in supplying a motor that's more consistent, has way less duds, and last multiple races?

If this was a some sort of "I have to use my Puppy Dog program", because of the money invested, why did 70% of the racers invest a whopping $2.59 to race a Retro Hawk this weekend at the Retro East race?

[Rick]

In the beginning it was much better, there was a GTC and that was a disignated FK class and a good thing. Although you could run the FK (in Tier 1) motors at the time, they would not stand up or hold up to a PD in Tier 1 classes and quickly faded away; now it appears that has changed.

But this is six years later and most racers are vested in PD motors that they have cultivated over the years. We went down this road before and pi$$ed off a bunch when the wind changed from 80 to 75 turns and then again when short wound motors were brought into the mix.

Retro has survived two fiascos but three is a charm. 
 
Time has come to get rid of the "list" and go back to basics.

CA and F1 Tier 1 - PD motors ONLY.
GTC Tier 2 - motors ONLY.

[stemmy]

Thank you, Rick. Some just don't understand.

[MSwiss]

Noose only quoted to me the popular usage.

Nothing about guys complaining about the miniscule $2.59 they had to shell out to get their car around the track for the day.

Time to move this to another thread if I can squeeze behind our Bethlehem backdrop in the office. LOL.

[Rick]

You can make light of the situation and folly it with the $2.59 motor. It's pretty transparent of who is in whose camp.

 

The issue here is that the balance of Retro racing is about to be upset. This hobby is so fragile and always at its breaking point. Just as we/you/they/I have made a place for about everything that someome manufactures, this is no different. It's easy to undo the "list" which is ridiculous anyway, since all the A Main types have been moved or at least 98% of them, and return to GTC-FK and mandate FK only again. Let the FK barons fight it out in their own forum...

[stemmy]

You're missing the picture.

[stemmy]

Rick, we need to get you on the BoD. Seems like you make the most sense and have no personal agenda.

[redbackspyder]

Rick,

Is it not obvious who is making the profit here... Remember, follow the money, you will find the answer...

[MSwiss]

You can make light of the situation and folly it with the $2.59 motor.

Sorry I hit a nerve how the Retro Hawk has been the best bang-for-your-buck piece of equipment in Retro history.
 
I spend more than $2.59 on Big Mama braid per race (when I can get it LOL).

[MSwiss]

I'm moving stuff over to this thread where guys can discuss the positives or negatives of the JK Retro Hawk.
 
Remember, once I do, this post will no longer show me on top and might get deleted as it will be out of sequence.

[MSwiss]

Posts have now been moved.

 

Please post here with your feeling about the Retro Hawk.

 

Posts in my Part Counter thread will be removed.

[MSwiss]

Rick, is it not obvious who is making the profit here... Remember, follow the money, you will find the answer...

Yes, it is obvious who is making the profit here.
 
Jerry Kulich and the slot car distributors and, most importantly, the raceways who sold the motors to the 82% of the Stock Car entries and 70% of the Can-Am entries at the last Retro East race that sparked this thread.