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[Wizard Of Iz]

How is this low cost? 20 Chinese arms conditioned = $240 and 4 PS tagged arms = $100.

I can't imagine anyone needing more than 4. Initial cost for Chinese arm is less, recurring cost for true cost of ownership is less!

Again, no one is answering how many to get one competitive.

Chris

 

 

Again ..... we must be incredibly lucky in Jacksonville when it comes to building fast Hawk 6 motors because I don't think it's ever taken buying more than one pre-conditioned replacement arm for me to have a motor capable of winning the A Main.  (It's a shame I'm not a better driver because the equipment is pretty good.)

 

It certainly doesn't take 20 armatures to get one that's fast.   It should only take one pre-conditioned armature if the original, stock armature is too rough to reach its potential.  Presuming that the setup has been properly prepped.  Nothing trick, just prepped.  

 

I believe that Doc's example is what he's accumulated over the past three years.  I'd wager that he has a number of H6's that many racers would consider competitive.

 

 

I don't take the copious notes that Doc and other top racers use, but I'd wager that I haven't built more than seven or eight Hawk 6 motors that I've raced every week for the past three years.   That's keeping two LMP's and one Group F ready to race at a high level.  And they've all been raced in the A Main and competed for a podium finish.

 

Simple recipe 

 

Stock Hawk 6 Motor = $17.00

Aftermarket Brushes (Gold Dust or Super Big Foot II's) = $3.50

Replacement Springs (Koford 313, Koford 609 or Champion Lights) = $2.00 to $2.50

Total = $23.00

 

Some guys choose to change the can bushing.  If so, add $1.  I haven't seen much, if any, difference.

 

Even if you add the cost of one pre-conditioned replacement armature at $12, you're only at  $35.  Again, my two LMP cars are certainly competitive and have typically stayed fast for many, many months ---- and that's racing them every Wednesday night.

 

In fact, Out of the seven or eight motors --- again, over 3+ years --- the fastest one was absolutely stock.  

[Danny Zona]

How is this low cost? 20 Chinese arms conditioned = $240 and 4 PS tagged arms = $100.I can't imagine anyone needing more than 4. Initial cost for Chinese arm is less, recurring cost for true cost of ownership is less!Again, no one is answering how many to get one competitive.Chris

I can try 20 American arms and guarantee there will be a top 3 or 4 that stand out from the rest.
I can try 20 Chinese arms and guarantee there will be a top 3 or 4 that stand out from the rest.

I know Jacksonville race the Chinese motors on a regular basis and don't have as many arm failures as described by some. They must be lucky.

Either way I'll race whatever because I'm a slotaddict and have the resources to run any motor. Most don't.

My main concern is the stability of rules.

[DOCinCanton]

I have raced the same motor (Hawk 6 #11) in three consecutive MySeries GT1/LMP races, Holly Hill, Jacksonville, and Melbourne.  The motor is still very competitive. However, I am figuring that I will race one of my other cars at Winter Garden. But only testing will tell. There still are plenty of motor brush left in #11 to go a 4th race.  As Rollin said, its not difficult to build a good motor if the can/endbell prep is done correctly.

[Jeff Cox]

This proposal I'm pretty sure was for Group F only and would not apply to GT1-LMP, Wing cars and Hawk 6 motors are a completely different animal compared to a GT1-LMP body Hawk 6 motors, a much heavier load is put on the motor with a wing car body and it is just my opinion but I believe the PS HK arm would be a much better and more consistant combination for Group F. Yes the initial cost would be a little more but it would pay the racer back in consistancy and longevity. I ran a Hawk 6 with a PS HK arm for 4 races at ASR with no rebuilds and the motor ran great and never lost it's edge, the same was experienced by others that ran the same combination.

 

Does anybody remember when the Hawk 7's first came out? The motors where great, but then after a little while the next batch where absolute JUNK, or does anybody remember the Speed FX sealed motors from a few years ago? they where great for a while and then all of a sudden the new one's off of the wall would barely last 2 heats. This has not happened to the hawk 6 yet but it most definately could. I think going to an american arm option would be a good idea, just like we did with the PS Super 16 D arms in the Speed FX cans.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jeff Cox

[Mike Henry]

I know my 2 cents don't and probably won't mean much since I have only been competing in slot cars since I think January of '09 which makes me a realitive rookie compared to most
how ever I've been around racing my entire life with dirt oval racing across the south east region and in my ( how ever limited it may be) experience, nearly evertime rule changes such as tires or engines occur it rarely helps and in some instances especially in Florida can kill a series/track

I like the rule package we have in place but I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement I would like to get the rules closer to the more national series' to possibly attract more out of state teams/drivers to the myseries but I don't want it to be a sudden change that could be detrimental to the series

I love this sport of ours I race the full scale cars on the dirt tracks like my father and his father but to this day I get more pre race jitters at a myseries event than I ever had in gokarts or the "big cars" and i would hate to see the series crumble over some bickering and rule changes