How not to run a vintage car race.
No cheer here...
2016 Monaco Historic GP debacle
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, May 24 2016 03:02 PM
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 03:02 PM
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 04:42 PM
I know the drivers are usually amateurs, but it seems the track workers are, too.
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 04:55 PM
Somebody should have yelled "TRACK!"
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Posted 24 May 2016 - 05:15 PM
That's a shame.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 10:59 AM
Very sad – two cars heavily damaged!!
She's real fine, my 409!!!
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 12:47 PM
Most track workers all over the world are amateurs.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 01:06 PM
Because they are all volunteers, i.e. they pay their own way and are not compensated (unless you count the beer bash at the base of the tower on Saturday evening after the racing is over).
I was one of them at Road Atlanta in the early '70s...
I was one of them at Road Atlanta in the early '70s...
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 01:52 PM
I am aware they are all volunteers, having at one point dated someone who worked many pro races in the NE, including the Canadian and US GPs, So I would not call them amateurs as they are all dedicated to what they do.. But I would expect that the people involved with crane operation would have a little more on the ball, unless a component (maybe a clevis) broke.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:06 PM
I fell down and broke my clevis once! Oh wait ...never mind. 
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:33 PM
That's a really inventive way to stress-test the chassis and suspension. "Let's drop this from 8 feet and see if anything falls off!"
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 02:47 PM
I fell down and broke my clevis once! Oh wait ...never mind.
Did you get an "ointment" for that? 
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 03:46 PM
And thanks to all the volunteers who have staffed the track for not only SCCA events, but also local club events. They not only have to give time at the track, but also to learn the rules including flag meanings and when those flags should be shown, and in most cases even some basic first aid to comfort the injured until the track EMTs can get there.
At FIA and other pro events, professionals are hired, and paid. So they should know where the tow and lift points are on the cars.
Maybe in this case volunteers were used for the vintage event, I don't know.
At FIA and other pro events, professionals are hired, and paid. So they should know where the tow and lift points are on the cars.
Maybe in this case volunteers were used for the vintage event, I don't know.
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Posted 25 May 2016 - 09:19 PM
Dave, at the USGP at COTA SCCA workers were also used at corners. Unpaid. USGP registration not yet open but here it is for the Lone Star
Le Mans 2016. http://www.motorspor...30#.V0ZcjeSG5HJ
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Posted 26 May 2016 - 03:47 PM
Yes, SCCA workers are unpaid. As I said, FIA workers are paid at F1 races outside the US.
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Posted 26 May 2016 - 04:01 PM
Did you get an "ointment" for that?
Nah... just a little grease on the clevis pin will fix it.....
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