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Posted 10 July 2016 - 06:57 PM

I worked on this build during my recent “health scare” and it really helped me. The worrying was constantly on my mind like a giant weight………EXCEPT when working on the project. It was hard for me to get started each session but once working, the wonderful smell of soldering smoke and acid fumes was great!  :crazy:

 

So what IS this project? Since this is a “therapy build” meant to be fun, I decided not to build a “clone” or “tribute” car. I got inspiration from the period magazines and newsletters and then chose what I like the best for the build.

 

For the chassis, I’ve always liked this Mike Steube chassis from an early 1968 CMRA race:

 

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Here is the race report “COWAN TAKE LEAD IN C.M.R.A. POINTS”:

 

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Now for the motor. I’m going with a 1968 Mabuchi can like Mike’s car but for fun, I’m going to pump the motor up with some cool stuff. The only part of the original motor I'll be using is the can….minus the ball bearing.

 

Here are the “hop-up” parts I’ll be using:

 

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The end bell will be a Dynamic packaged Mura 1st generation “unmeltable” but with a really cool modification. Check out the Mini-Wheels Bullet Proof kit at the lower right in the picture below:

 

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Here are the instructions for the bullet proofing kit:

 

 

 

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Rather than build the fixture outlined in the top of the instruction sheet, I found I could use my Rick’s Jig instead:

 

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Here's the jig used in a different setup to solder on the spring post protector:

 

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After many hours work, the stock endbell on the right and the modified on the left:

 

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Next up I work on my can.........so to speak.  :D


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Posted 10 July 2016 - 08:49 PM

Nice work Rick, glad to see you back. :)


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 05:37 AM

Beee-you-tee-ful!  No one does it better.

 

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Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:55 AM

:heart: :good: :clapping:


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:36 AM

Go Rick, Another work of art tribute car is born. ! Thank You for what you create. 


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 12:50 PM

Thanks for the support. :)

 

I forgot to post this picture of the Mini-Wheels Bullet Proofing kit parts and the assembled bits:

 

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Here are the parts I used for the motor can. The 1968 Mabuchi motor, Mura end bell bearing to replace the funky Mabuchi ball bearing, Dynamic packaged Mura Semi-Can magnet shim, Versitec magnets and Certus top and bottom magnet shims to center the magnets:

 

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It takes some fiddling to get the magnets, semi-can and top and bottom shims all fit into the can. Once that was done I marked everything so I could take it back apart and epoxy the magnets to the semi-can with JB Weld and re-assemble.

 

After the epoxy cured the top and bottom shims were removed to live another day and the magnets were honed to .530":

 

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After honing the semi-can shim with epoxied magnets can be slid out of the can for cleaning and the can painted. The ball bearing was also replaced with an end bell bearing:

 

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A comparison with the stock can and magnets:

 

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The heart of the beast, a new old stock Thorp single 27 armature. This is an early version with thick laminations and fiber end plates:

 

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The finished motor:

 

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Next, the chassis..............


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 02:06 PM

Nice Build and Pictures.

Thanks for posting your Project.


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 05:17 PM

The textured black paint just never gets old for me. Brings back memories of the old cameras of the day :)


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 06:23 PM

Thanks Nick  :)

 

I like black wrinkle too Pablo. I'm not sure if the "Pros" were using it in '68 but I watched my brother paint the dashboard of his MGA black wrinkle in 1964 so I know it was around........and probably way before then.

 

I've also used some dark green wrinkle finish that looks pretty cool too:

 

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 01:11 PM

I started the chassis build with the motor bracket. I got a pair of "duffies" (bearing housings) made by our much missed friend Michael "Duffy" Heinrich. I also used a very short length of 1/4" brass tube as a bushing to center the end bell bearing:

 

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Here's the setup with a jig motor made up with the race end bell and a scrap '68 Mabuchi can. The end bell is wrapped in tape to keep the acid flux off:

 

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I made up as many rails and things as possible before starting the soldering process:

 

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On this build I finished the rails to the proper length before I solder them on. That way I can finish each rail end with a nice chamfer. It takes much longer than leaving the rails oversize, soldering them all on and then cutting them all in place at the same time.

 

But, I can run my hand over the top of the chassis and it's completely smooth......no sharp edges or burrs:

 

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Who are you calling ANAL!   :shok:   I guess that would be me.  :laugh2:

 

Anyway, here the rails are ready to go:

 

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Here the 3 main rails per side are installed. The rail set on the left is shown "as soldered". The rail set on the right have had the solder on top (from the soldering iron tip moving back and forth) sanded off. This exposes the top of the rails and the shiny brass: :crazy:

 

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Outer rail #4 installed at the rear...............

 

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..............and at the front with some .030" wire reinforcements aligned in place with my Rick's Jig:

 

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Here's the front end cleaned up:

 

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The center section waiting for a drop arm:

 

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The drop arm is next.................

 
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Posted 12 July 2016 - 01:53 PM

Don't you just hate drop arms?  The Pros would toss the chassis but keep the drop arms because they were such a pain!

 

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 02:03 PM

Yup!

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Posted 12 July 2016 - 02:15 PM

This Steube chassis uses a brass strip drop arm. Those are easier to build than the all brass rod drop arms. Rick, I like the four spaced main rails this chassis has. 


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 03:00 PM

I like the gizmo that aligns the bushing housing and strengthens the bracket face.

You better believe I'll be copying that soon :dance3: 


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 03:07 PM

Beautiful chassis Rick :good: That Mini Wheels bullet proofing kit is a really sweet looking endbell addition, no worries with heat now :D

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Posted 16 July 2016 - 10:38 AM

The ubiquitous drop arm.  :crazy:

I prefer to solder in a single piece of tube instead of 3 separate pieces for the drop arm pivot. I needed to cut out the center piece and square up the ends of the remaining pivot tubes. A neat little back-counterbore gizmo finishes up the job:

 

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All the pieces-parts ready for soldering, but what I hate doing is trying to eyeball align the down stop and hold it steady while trying to solder it in place. :dash2: This time I simply cut a little groove with my mill for it to sit in. The groove virtually disappears when the down stop is soldered in place:

 

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I left the two guide tube holders extra long to help them align with each other and tacked them together. Then cut them to length and soldered everything up. Here's the buffed up drop arm:

 

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Instead of a simple rod going accross the chassis for a drop arm up-stop (which stiffens the flex of the chassis) it looks like Mike used an L-shaped stop hanging down from the axle tube. I used a U-shape as it was easier for me to align and install:

 

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Time for the "floating pans"....................


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Posted 16 July 2016 - 11:17 AM

The bar just keeps getting higher :D


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Posted 16 July 2016 - 07:24 PM

Fabergé would be impressed.
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Posted 18 July 2016 - 10:23 AM

About polishing. :)

 

My goal with polishing is to even out the finish on the entire chassis and then let it take on a natural patina over time. Of course the chassis must be wiped down after running to remove any oil, tire goo and most importantly, fingerprints from "piss fingers". This allows the chassis to patina evenly.

 

Here's a chassis I built "Pre-Slotblog"................many moons ago...........maybe 15 years or more? It started out polished as bright as a new penny (including those long brass axle spacers). This car sat in an acrylic display case in a low humidity, non-smoking environment:

 

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Another thing about a chassis that's been evenly polished, the patina can be removed and the original shine can be brought back easily if desired.

 

Now where's that brass sheet for the pans? :crazy:


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 11:47 AM

Here's how Mike set up his floppy pans:

 

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I'm going to use 1/16" piano wire for the L-shaped hinge with pin tube soldered on top for the body mount and pan "up-stops". I made these pieces up first in my Rick's Jig and I left them extra long to help with alignment and to have an area to drag any extra solder onto. Hopefully that will help make a nice even solder joint:

 

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Again, the jig aligns everything nicely. You might notice that the front of the pans is quite far back from the front axle. :o    That placement was dictated by the size and shape of the front wheel opening in the body I'll be using. :unknw:

 

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If you can guess what period "Korrect" body I'll be using.........."You win a cookie"

 

 

Here's the finished chassis:

 

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Time to assemble the roller and take it for a test drive :)


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 12:44 PM

Rick Phil Rubin's bat pan was the last east coast chassis design before sidewinders hit on east coast. It was this design Jerry Brady took with him to LA sure to beat the west coasters only to arrive and find out that the sidewinders arrived the same week.

Might make a good companion to your west coast chassis.

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 12:45 PM

Excellent job on Mike's car as usual....

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:03 PM

 

 

If you can guess what period "Korrect" body I'll be using.........."You win a cookie"

 

McLaren Mk?


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:29 PM

My Guess:

 

Lotus 40

 

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 02:40 PM

Thanks Tony. Phil's car is a real BAT pan design....very cool!

 

Sorry, no cookie for the Lotus 40 or McLaren guess. :)


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 03:08 PM

Lola t70 or mirage

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 03:22 PM

That's a good guess Tony and all the bodies mentioned so far were popular choices among the Pro's in early '68.

 

But, check out this WILD Keith Tanaka CMRA winner from a bit earlier race than Mike's CMRA chassis:

 

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That Lancer "Super Competition" King Cobra is a hint for you guys to think outside of the normal bodies the Pro's favored. :D


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 03:54 PM

Rick, haven't you built a clone of Phil Rubins bat pan chassis, or was that on your "to-do" list? I saw Phil run once or twice, but by that time everyone had an anglewinder. :)


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 03:54 PM

Keith Tanaka, wild man! Who would have thought (Maybe I just don't know.)?

 

Full plate chassis (almost), thingie body, and fixed "drop" arm, is this some kind of first for late 1967?

 

Surprise us Rick!



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Posted 18 July 2016 - 05:05 PM

It looks like I did build one a LONG time ago Bill.....before I even had a digital camera. :shok:  I don't remember what happened to it. I might have sold it to my buddy Martin W.

 

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I found a picture of the beauty below that SteveO built:

 

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Phil,

 

Keith used one of Lancer's 3 1/8+ wide "Super Competition" King Cobra bodies that allowed him to drop the body down over the tires. Then he cut off the bottom portion of the body for a super slammed "thingie" look with an almost, kinda sorta semi-scale Lancer body.  :crazy:

 

Something I plan to do a with my build...........hint. :)


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 05:18 PM

Keith used one of Lancer's 3 1/8+ wide "Super Competition" King Cobra bodies that allowed him to drop the body down over the tires. Then he cut off the bottom portion of the body for a super slammed "thingie" look with an almost, kinda sorta semi-scale Lancer body.  :crazy:

 

Something I plan to do a with my build...........hint. :)

 

 

 

 

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Posted 18 July 2016 - 06:38 PM

The CMRA? Rules that Keith ran that body in had no or much smaller tire dia rules then the USRA/Car Model rules. So it was really low!!!!

That body was kind of a hunk compared to the handling Lola's and lotus 40s.


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Posted 18 July 2016 - 07:15 PM

Rick,

 

Reading the vintage articles is as enjoyable as watching the build. Can you post the rest of the editorial(post #27,bottom of page) continued from page two. From the looks of it it seems nothing has changed in close to 50 years.


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Posted 19 July 2016 - 04:47 PM

Here you go Sam. Steve Okeefe has DVD's with MCJ and MRJ for sale. I bet you'd get a kick out of them. :)

 

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Posted 19 July 2016 - 06:24 PM

Here you go Sam. Steve Okeefe has DVD's with MCJ and MRJ for sale. I bet you'd get a kick out of them. 

 

Just sent my $6.50 cash for 26 issues via the "Way Back Machine". :wizard:  


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Posted 20 July 2016 - 04:12 PM

The pictures of Mike's car seem to show a relatively large diameter front wheel with a very small diameter tire. I'm using a Russkit front wheel and a Riggen AA front tire.

 

Mike's rear wheel seems to be a full width wheel, .625" tire mounting surface with a .150" set screw hub. It also has large flanges and a large diameter set screw hub. The tires were likely light blue or grey.

 

I'm using a "mystery" rear wheel. possibly Weldon, that matches Mikes and black tires. I have very few light blue donuts and fewer still wide grey donuts that were used at the time. I have orange donuts but I believe they weren't used in early '68. I chose black donuts as they were available if only used by the "scale freaks". :)

 

Below are the tires, hubs and finished products:

 

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Speaking of "scale freaks", I'm going to run wheel inserts like the concours cars of the period and because I like them. :crazy:

 

I'm using some wheels from a 1/32 scale Monogram 427 Cobra kit as wheel inserts. The stock wheel is on the left. A modified .500" diameter insert for the front wheels is in the center and a .390" diameter job for the rear wheels is on the right:

 

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To keep the rear inserts from going to far inside the rear wheels and disappearing, I added a polystyrene spacer to them:

 

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Onward...........


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Posted 20 July 2016 - 04:33 PM

Cheater once told me "anal is what wins races" :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 21 July 2016 - 07:19 PM

I've got the roller finished and it hit the test track. The Thorp motor screams and the car handles great on my home track:

 

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Here's the finished roller;

 

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The wheel inserts are painted and black "shadowed":

 

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If you can guess what period "Korrect" body I'll be using.........."You win a cookie"

 

 

Here's a hint on the body. That's the odd shaped wheel opening I spoke of:

 

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Posted 21 July 2016 - 08:14 PM

Honker?


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Posted 21 July 2016 - 08:57 PM

HONKER it is!

 

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The box shown is for a scale "lightweight" version. I'll be using the low and wide "Super Competition version #961 shown on top of the box.

 

More on the different Lancer versions to come............


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Posted 21 July 2016 - 09:15 PM

Mmmm cookie! 

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How much to overnight a cookie in Oregon ?


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 12:20 AM

It looks like I did build one a LONG time ago Bill.....before I even had a digital camera. :shok:  I don't remember what happened to it. I might have sold it to my buddy Martin W.

 

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I found a picture of the beauty below that SteveO built:

 

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Phil,

 

Keith used one of Lancer's 3 1/8+ wide "Super Competition" King Cobra bodies that allowed him to drop the body down over the tires. Then he cut off the bottom portion of the body for a super slammed "thingie" look with an almost, kinda sorta semi-scale Lancer body.  :crazy:

 

Something I plan to do a with my build...........hint. :)

You are correct Rick I still have that chassis you made. I am not sure how long I have had it but it has taken on a deep gold patina (no piss fingers as you say) nice peace of work, proud to be its caretaker. Keep up the great work. "I like to watch"


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 04:40 AM

Martin, you're a pretty good chassis builder in your own right. I still recall those ten or a dozen Team Russkit F1 chassis you once built & had online. I still have paper copies of one of those chassis filed away somewhere. :)


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 10:23 AM

Thanks for that Bill, actually i did find the Team Russkit  F1 roller I saved for myself.

Can anyone link me to a race report or tell me what components i would need to finish the Thigpen/ Phil Rubin chassis it deserves to be shown and driven. 

Looking forward to spending more time completing some old projects that have been on the back burner for too long. You are all an inspiration.


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Posted 20 August 2016 - 11:15 AM

Hi Martin,

 

Here's some info you wanted on the Rubin car:

 

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Posted 20 August 2016 - 05:52 PM

I remember I had 2 bat pans like Phils just built for my self and one for Mike Tango. went to Nutley to test it and Mike said we needed to build anglewinders. I don't believe I even ran it. Could not even sell it, obsolete before it was run.
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Posted 20 August 2016 - 07:07 PM

Hi Tony,

 

Anglewinders sure changed everything didn't they.

 

This last gasp inline is getting a body the Pros didn't seem to use but I've got one, it's something different, it's LOW and WIDE and it's, well, cool! It's a Lancer, not the common Dubro, Honker Can-Am. The scale "Lightweight" #5161 on the left and the "Super Competition" #961 low and wide version on the right:

 

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The Super Competition body is 3 1/8" wide so I can run 3" wide track width tires up inside the body.

 

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The Super Competition version (bottom) is also lower and with wheel openings that match the smaller tires run on Pro cars compared to the scale Lightweight version (top):

 

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The standard weight scale version #161 Honker comes with a super detailed full depth interior shown on the left. The other versions come with the simple driver insert on the right:

 

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I'm going to use the Dynamic Handling Body interior shown below along with a Russkit drivers head, model kit bashed motor injectors, aluminum roll bar and "honk'n" pipes and Patto's Place decals:

 

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I'm going to, hopefully, use Testors purple metal flake paint backed with silver. I'm going to try the rattle can but I have the bottle paint for my airbrush if needed. The color is less "red" than shown in the picture:

 

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Here are a few pictures of the real car:

 

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Here's Mario at the wheel:

 

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Well, that's as far as I can go........time to paint  :o


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Posted 20 August 2016 - 08:29 PM

Thanks Rick for finding that race report, so now I am looking for a Russkit Lola GT. Good luck, I have Dynamics and Lancers "low and wide" maybe that will have do?

I asked my wife about the purple on the Honker and she showed me an Amethyst stone she has in a piece of jewelry, and its a perfect match. It may be worth looking more, or a custom mix is worth doing to match the real car.

Great looking car buy the way.


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Looking good!!  Keep it coming!!!!!! Can't wait to see the finished project!!


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