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#1 Tim Wilkins

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:07 PM

[This thread was split off from the 2016 Fall Brawl pictures thread HERE. - admin]

 

Any RetroPro and Can-Am Plus pics?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:08 PM

Nope. I wasn't in those races and no one got pics.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 04:47 PM

Curious. Weren't those two races part of the "Fall Brawl"?
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 07:19 PM

Yes, they sure were and Duran repeated winning both. I was not at them so no pics taken by me.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:28 PM

No one there to take podium pictures or pictures of winning cars? For your biggest race of the year, you'd think someone would have a camera and able to post results. Not blaming SpeedZone of course, they're busy enough. But, Noose, come on!
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:43 PM

Tom,

Maybe you could donate your time and effort to make the trip to New Jersey and be the event photographer. I've seen what Mr. Noose contributes to the IRRA® events that I have attended. He certainly does more than his share and doesn't need criticism from the Left Coast...


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:04 PM

Mike,

 

I have no plans so far to go back East for any events. But, can you tell me what the response would be if one of the top racers from the IRRA® came out West for a premier event, won two races and got no coverage at all!? Nothing!? Get real.

 

We out West have got a load of crud from some of the guys back East for our "lack of coverage" of our premier events. Videos, OK, we simply do not do that. But, and you know this Mike, everything at our big races gets covered.

 

So, do not tell me to go with camera in hand and cover IRRA® races. Ain't my job. I understand Noose has a lot to do at their events and does a very good job at it. But, to tell me, "not there, no pictures," ain't buying, Mike.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:06 PM

Ummm, so six out of the eight classes just doesn't cut it, huh? Kinda hard to take pictures of something you weren't even there for. Maybe Duran should take a selfie?  

 

Gimme a break...


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:09 PM

John, read above post. And is not in jest.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:16 PM

... everything at our big races gets covered.


Yup, at your one raceway exactly one hard-working big-hearted guy does all the work. And if he gets run over by a semi or has a car fall on him fatally in his shop, please tell us what you think will happen then regarding race reports from those big races at BPR?
 

Ain't my job.... But, to tell me, "not there, no pictures," ain't buying, Mike.

 

Keeping in mind that the Fall Brawl and the other Premier races are not put nor sanctioned by the IRRA® and that the organization does not generate any revenue stream whatsoever from any of the activities conducted by the members of the BoD, please tell us just whose job you feel it is to document these races for your viewing pleasure?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:29 PM

Answered in my PM to you, Greg.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:37 PM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 11:15 PM

Everybody has a camera phone. There have to be pics of these two races somewhere.
 
Duran is an awesome racer and deserves his props.
 
Big ups to the "West Coast Beast." :good:
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 11:44 PM

Guess I'll tag in on this one even though I don't post much outside BPR stuff...
I like reading race reports and seeing the pictures, but we don't always cover everything "big" at BPR.
I did the race report for RetroPro at the Boola Bash this year but that almost didn't happen.
It wasn't till post race that we started talking about it, fortunately between Tim Neja, Chuck V, and myself we had enough to do a report.
I was race directing and more focused on the track than actual racing so for what I "reported" I had to ask around to confirm.
 
Takes a lot of planning from the get go to make a report and get pictures of everything, thanks to all that make them happen.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:04 AM

Curious. Weren't those two races part of the "Fall Brawl"?


Tom,

No different from me not racing or not covering the Friday night Retro Pro races at our premier events. Just not enough time to do it all. I'm barely standing after a three-day event and the Fall Brawl is four!  :)

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 06:51 AM

I did the race report for RetroPro at the Boola Bash this year but that almost didn't happen.


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My apologies to you for my claim that Bryan does it all in post #10.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:18 AM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


Let's see...you have one guy doing tech for approximately 150 entries, plus taking pictures when he is actually there. You have a couple of people running the facility and working the counter for part sales, race directing, ordering food so the racers don't have to go off-site, and also dealing with customers who walk into the shop that are not part of the event (it's a business and someone still has to run it). Would be nice if some of the racers involved with the Thursday classes would have stepped up, but I guess nobody thought to do it. Maybe someone who was there has some pictures they can share?
 
Is it really anyone's responsibility? It's nice when there is a race report, but I think many people are beginning to expect too much. Bill Fulmer gives a lot of his time during the events he attends taking pictures of every entry. But should this now be expected of him every time?  

 

I think everyone should be thankful for what is provided.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:18 AM

John, read above post. And is not in jest.

 

So exactly what do you bring to the table at the races you attend?


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:52 AM

Who pays Noose to tech all the Retro East and IRRA® Premier events, take pictures, do race reports, keep records, etc.? He missed two races in eight years. Not a bad record for someone doing all the work for nothing.

 

Before you complain, step up to try to do what he does.

 

This is all just stupid.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 08:23 AM

So exactly what do you bring to the table at the races you attend?


Just my amazing personality and stay out of the way. :)  

All points here taken, just wanted to get something off my chest, I did, people have responded.

And now, I'll stay out of your way.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 08:55 AM

Since no one has addressed the question I asked in post #10, let me pose it once again:
 

Just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


Honestly, does anyone besides the very few of us who work to make it happen think this is an important aspect of Premier-level races? Or is it a waste of our time? Maybe I should start a poll...

Related questions...

Don't have any figures to cite, but Fall Brawl VII attracted racers from numerous states, several from the West Coast, and in years past the Brawl has brought racers from across both the Atlantic and Pacific. Don't the racers who travel great distances and expend enormous amounts of time and money racing for podiums deserve to have their achievements recognized?

Does anyone believe that the Fall Brawl (and the other Premier IRRA® events that are seeing significant numbers of entries) would have grown to those levels of participation had race results and pictures never been published and archived for future reference? Would short-lived Facebook posts and/or word of mouth starting at Fall Brawl I have generated an estimated (still have no clue how many entries for CA+ and RetroPro happened on Thursday; that info is nowhere to be found) 165 entries at Fall Brawl VII?

These are honest questions that hopefully will receive honest answers.
 
If race results and pics aren't important to the majority, foregoing them would sure save Noose, Bryan, Bill, and a few others a lot of time and effort.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:38 AM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?

 

I suggest you ask Paul L. Meiers. 

 

It's the old story of four people: Everbody, Anybody, Somebody, and Nobody. Almost everybody wants to read the results. Anybody can do the job, (maybe not as well as Noose, Brian, or Bill). Somebody should write up the results and take pictures, but Nobody takes up the challenge.

 

I have written a race report back when the Bulletin was being published. It was a challenge for me and not rewarding enough for me to continue. I talked to a frequent author from the Bulletin and he gave me a formula to follow, but you need someone who has a desire to write or a sense of responsibility to see the job through. 


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:44 AM

Spot on...
 
It's a thankless job... and I can understand when people who are not thanked but bitched at eventually say "enough." Been there, done that.
 
So to everyone and anyone who has taken on the task of doing the hard work so the rest of us can play... THANK YOU.  

And for those who say "I just want to come and race"... shame on you. Help these guys out, otherwise your stuff will eventually be collecting dust
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:44 AM

I for one like very much to see race reports, and if there are any pics... that is the best part. I know that when the pics have not only podium pics but also top and bottom pics of all the cars for each class, I spend days looking and reading.

I have to say in these days where almost all cell phones can take fair pictures it would seem to me not that hard to get pics.

No one said whom it had to be. But it only makes sense that the tech inspector would take  pics of the cars.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:51 AM

Guys,

Nobody gets "paid" to run or report on events. In the end, very few want to take on the responsibility to administer the event, take photos and write reports. Many would rather just work on their rides. No problem here, just saying.

I am retired and enjoy administering and reporting on our local events - no national hardbody events held in the hamlet of Roseburg, OR.

I appreciate others who toil on these thankless tasks. Thank you all so that others can see what is being run elsewhere.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:05 AM

One PM'd reply to the questions posed in my post #21, posted here anonymously with permission:
 
"#1 - Yes, I do think traveling racers who podium should have their achievements recognized, as with any other podium folks.
#2 - Without internet, photos, not nearly as much.
#3 - Racers here most certainly want to see the cars and the racers."

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:10 AM

I suggest you ask Paul L. Meiers.


Would be kind of hard to do today, as Paul passed away a few years ago.

I realize you and others may not have known this.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:29 AM

Speaking not only for myself but probably many others, I think race reports are important along with pictures as they offer recognition to the winners and a great source of information to all who view the reports. Without them, there would be the small circle of participants who had any knowledge of what took place. With them, we can view coast to coast and even worldwide (hello, Japan) as to what's the latest news, chassis builds, gearing, etc.

 

Regarding this matter, I'm glad some photos finally appeared of the podium RetroPro and Can-Am Plus winners. They earned their recognition. Could the matter have been handled differently? Initially it did appear a bit strange that the winner of two races, an SCRRA member from the West Coast were not covered. Perhaps a volunteer could have been sought out to take pictures of these two races.  Perhaps a request for photos could have been made seeking photos of these two races (which eventually is what happened).

 

I think this has led to a healthy discussion. Bryan Warmack, Noose, and others work hard to provide all of us with excellent race reports. I think it goes without saying it's very much appreciated. A lot of planning and organizing needs to take place. Sometimes things slip by.  

 

When they do, a lot more of us need to step up and fill the gap such as taking pictures when the regular guy isn't there. Don't wait to be asked.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:45 AM

So, do not tell me to go with camera in hand and cover IRRA® races. Ain't my job. I understand Noose has a lot to do at their events and does a very good job at it.

 

Fiddler, I have an idea. Noose wasn't in attendance and didn't do a race report? :shok:

 

Dock his pay and garnish his wages.   :crazy:  (Whoops, never mind, that won't work, he doesn't get paid for it.)

 

How about this: Fire him for not doing his job.   :blum:  (Whoops, that won't work either, he's a volunteer, and it's not his job.)

 

I'll retreat to my vintage cave now and nibble on my crow pie.  :laugh2:


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:02 AM

I very much enjoy the race reports and seeing pictures of winning cars still feels strange to me.

 

I grew up racing in an era when getting to even see a winning chassis after a race much less a picture was unheard of!


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:03 AM

We out West have got a load of crud from some of the guys back East for our "lack of coverage" of our premier events. Videos, OK, we simply do not do that. But, and you know this Mike, everything at our big races gets covered.
 
So, do not tell me to go with camera in hand and cover IRRA® races. Ain't my job. I understand Noose has a lot to do at their events and does a very good job at it. But, to tell me, "not there, no pictures," ain't buying, Mike.

  

All points here taken, just wanted to get something off my chest, I did,


I remember some disappointment from some when it was pointed out BP wouldn't be able to provide a video feed anymore. But that had to be about four years ago.

So this is just some tit for tat, real old, revenge deal. Like Tony said, "This is just stupid."

Compared to other racing, Retro racing,coast to coast, gets so much more coverage. That's why it has grown and stayed strong.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:16 AM

There were podium pics taken by the track on Thursday night after the RP and CA+ races. I was told they were not very decent pix and were not posted. I immediately forgot about them.

Get over it.
 

No one there to take podium pictures or pictures of winning cars? For your biggest race of the year, you'd think someone would have a camera and able to post results. Not blaming SpeedZone of course, they're busy enough. But, Noose, come on!

 
I now see that Matt Bruce followed up on the pics. In the age of instant gratification, one forgets that it still takes work by somebody to accomplish these tasks. Remember when it was over three months before any report or pics were published???
 
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:24 AM

Heavily medicated at the moment so I will do my best to stay on topic -
 
I really enjoy the race reports! I read all that are posted here as well as the other sites that I frequent. It does not matter if it is three guys on a three-lane track in the Northwest, 35 guys on a King in New Jersey, 12 T-Jet guys on a Scorpion or eight guys on a bullring in Wisconsin. With such a small amount of enthusiasts left in North America it is interesting to see the amount of diversity in our racing and attendance at the regional level.

Everybody loves pictures! Whether it is from an artistic, engineering, technical, brand specific, etc. we all utilize those pictures to help us be a part of this great hobby as well as grow and be a part of it. It is always great to put a face with the names as well. Fifty percent or more here will probably never attend a "big" race, but what is great is that through live streams and post-race writings they can feel as if they were there and feel a connection with the participants. To me that is huge in our declining niche hobby.
 
Race reports take a lot of time to do right. Sure simple ones fit the bill, but we are part of a blog/forum after all so we cry for more. I think we need to keep in check what we choose to bitch about and be grateful for what is voluntarily provided for us. To not be there and bitch / borderline ridicule what is provided post race is pure ignorance.

I loved doing our race reports locally. I enjoyed every aspect of it, but let a few get to me and stopped. I always tried to be neutral in my reports and highlight the positives of all the competitors in someway throughout. It can be difficult when you are also a competitor and need to try to recall everyone's race and not overemphasize your own performance. Regardless of how well they are written I truly appreciate what is provided for us and thank those that go out of their way to share their story of our silly little hobby.
 
Moral of the story is we can all contribute to helping document our race days.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:29 AM

Short answer YES.

 

Long answer, history, I started in the '60s and ended in the '60s and didn't return till 2003. In the '60s there were multiple monthly mags that gave the punters like myself access to the race reports and pics of cars and chassis building by the top guys like Steube, Ursaner, Von Ahrens, etc. These were important because they gave a lot of good info on trends, build quality, race craft, etc., etc.

 

Fast forward to 2003, last man standing Paul Meiers and Slot Car Bulletin, not quite the quality of the old mags, but still a great source of info. Unfortunately that folded and no one picked up the ball.

 

Long time in the wilderness until Keith Tanaka started reporting on the blogs from the CA races. This is where I got my inspiration for starting to photograph the cars. His groundbreaking work led to where all race reporting is today. I don't think he has ever been properly recognized and thanked for this!

 

Enter the current phase where instant gratification rules the day. In the old days you didn't get the race reports till at least two months afterwards. Paul cut that back to a month now everybody wants it yesterday. Anyone who is critical of the speed or content of a race report has not done one. For the longest time I just took pics and posted them. I have started to do race reports this year for the ORS and have a much better appreciation for the time and effort involved. The amount of time Noose puts in on his race reports boggles the mind. And this is in addition to all the other things he does for Retro. To hold him to task for an event he wasn't at is shameful.

 

Which brings us to who is responsible for pics and race reports? Somebody? Everybody? Nobody? I do it because I remember waiting for those monthly mags in the '60s to get the latest info from both coasts and everywhere in between for my next build. To me this is important, but like all of us I can't be everywhere all the time.

 

So as Tim said in an earlier post, if this is important to you and no one else is doing it step up and do it yourself. And publish at least on race report with pics before you throw stones!   


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:38 AM

Bill,

 

Your contributions to documenting the races you attend are second to none!

 

Thank you!


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:43 AM

When I show up at Buena Park, I'm guaranteed a shot of the underside of my car along with my tech sheet. Who else does that? It's about passion for our hobby regardless of who shows up. 

 

And... yes, it's a thankless job!!


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 11:49 AM

When I show up at Buena Park, I'm guaranteed a shot of the underside of my car along with my tech sheet. Who else does that?

 
Mark,

This thread isn't about who does the best job, but HERE you go.

You can look at the 565 pics Bill Fulmer took at the three days of Sano 10, along with the great job he does at R4 and the ORS/KOR races.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:06 PM

Once again, rather than being grateful that there are still places to race or play or just gather with friends who share the same sport/hobby, we have those that want to complain about pictures no less. Sure they are nice, but to rail against Noose who has attended every major race in the Midwest and East Coast for years and years at his own expense and who does the thankless job of tech for every car that is raced is quite simply unacceptable to me.
 
Deal with it or do it yourself. The job is open and then maybe someone will admonish you and you will see how inane this is over pictures of toy cars.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:11 PM

It takes me around six hours to do a regular Retro East race report which is just for two classes at an event. I have a pretty defined process otherwise it would take a lot longer. Besides typing all the words there is formatting of the document as well as the pics.

Then remember one has to make sure all the results sheets are received, all the different main podium shots, the podium cars, etc.

When Bill and I are at an event together we work as a team. I'm doing tech and takes the pics of the car and tech sheet.

I have been to every Premier event and, as Tony noted, I have only missed two races since we started Retro East. That's two out of 310 races.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:16 PM

I'll just say that Bryan does the best job. I'm biased, so there you go.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:25 PM

Mark,

Bryan does a wonderful job, but go look at the multiple pics Bill takes of the top three cars.

But I guess I should learn to expect the pointless tangents of your posts.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:47 PM

Well lets see, every monthly Retro race, which are two events are featured with what I just mentioned. Not only is your car and tech sheet visible to everyone, but each main racers are visible as a group shot. Three concours winning cars are shot. Each main podium winners are also featured along with qualifying and race standings of each race main. I haven't seen that anywhere else on a regular monthly basis but as I said, I'm biased. Case closed.

 

Well, not quite. A Main podium cars are taken in at least three separate pics. Top and bottom of chassis and one to include body.   Happens every month. That's a lot of work.

 

Oh I forgot, there is a typical tech table shot, mostly horsing around, one or more pics each for F1 and Can-Am. I'm bound to forget something else. 


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:01 PM

I can attest to what Mr. Noose said. I did all the Retro East reports when I was still in NJ, we had a lot less entries and it still took a long time typing everything in and editing pictures where necessary. Honestly I am surprised he is not burned-out doing them.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:04 PM

I think what makes mine unique is that you can print them out and it's in a newsletter/newspaper format. You can keep them then.

I have two binders of them filled so far.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:11 PM

Jesus, who does it the best is not/should not even be part of the discussion! Just say SlotCar Steve does a great job and thank you, and move on.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:15 PM

Bryan And Noose (Joe) both do a great job. If you want short and sweet, it's Bryan; if you want big and long with lots of detail, it's Joe.
 
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:21 PM

Well lets see,  EVERY monthly Retro race, which are two events are featured with what I just mentioned.  Not only is your car and tech sheet visible to everyone, but each main racers are visible as a group shot. Three concours winning cars are shot.  Each main podium winners are also featured along with qualifying and race standings of each race main.  I haven't seen  that anywhere else on a regular monthly basis but as I said,  I'm biased.  Case closed.
 
Well, not quite.  "A"main podium cars are taken in at least 3 separate pics.  Top and bottom of  chassis and one to include body.   Happens EVERY month.  That's a lot of work.
 
Oh I forgot, there is a typical tech table shot, mostly horsing around, one or more pics each for F-1 and CanAm.  I'm bound to forget something else.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:23 PM

My apologies to you for my claim that Bryan does it all in post #10.

 

Absolutely no apology needed.

 

I've done a handful of race reports in the past few years (only been racing that long), they take time, thanks to all that do them on a regular basis!

 

I can't imagine how people like Warmack, Noose, and others handle tech and everything an event might toss at them, RACE their own race... and then get pictures/info to do a report.

 

Personally I like reports, gives me a chance to see other cars, put faces to names, and so on.

Who's "responsibility" is it? Damned if I can answer that one, guess it's whoever wants to step up and do the often impossible.

 

As for video... I've done some video tests at BPR, the internet connection saturates too quick, upload bandwidth isn't great (I make my living doing IT BTW) so I've never done a set-up there. They have some limited success doing drags via FaceBook, but seeing cars launch at a starting line is really different from seeing cars go around an entire track the size of a King or even the Flat track.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:36 PM

Jesus, who does it the best is not/should not even be part of the discussion! Just say SlotCar Steve does a great job and thank you, and move on.


Yeah when did this turn into a competition and what is the prize? :)
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:36 PM

pointless tangents

  

Jesus, who does it the best is not/should not even be part of the discussion! Just say SlotCar Steve does a great job and thank you, and move on.


Matt,

Maybe Mr. Pointless Tangent Guy will notice Bryan endorsed your assertion. LOL.

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