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#1 Tim Wilkins

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:07 PM

[This thread was split off from the 2016 Fall Brawl pictures thread HERE. - admin]

 

Any RetroPro and Can-Am Plus pics?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 02:08 PM

Nope. I wasn't in those races and no one got pics.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 04:47 PM

Curious. Weren't those two races part of the "Fall Brawl"?
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 07:19 PM

Yes, they sure were and Duran repeated winning both. I was not at them so no pics taken by me.

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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:28 PM

No one there to take podium pictures or pictures of winning cars? For your biggest race of the year, you'd think someone would have a camera and able to post results. Not blaming SpeedZone of course, they're busy enough. But, Noose, come on!
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 09:43 PM

Tom,

Maybe you could donate your time and effort to make the trip to New Jersey and be the event photographer. I've seen what Mr. Noose contributes to the IRRA® events that I have attended. He certainly does more than his share and doesn't need criticism from the Left Coast...


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:04 PM

Mike,

 

I have no plans so far to go back East for any events. But, can you tell me what the response would be if one of the top racers from the IRRA® came out West for a premier event, won two races and got no coverage at all!? Nothing!? Get real.

 

We out West have got a load of crud from some of the guys back East for our "lack of coverage" of our premier events. Videos, OK, we simply do not do that. But, and you know this Mike, everything at our big races gets covered.

 

So, do not tell me to go with camera in hand and cover IRRA® races. Ain't my job. I understand Noose has a lot to do at their events and does a very good job at it. But, to tell me, "not there, no pictures," ain't buying, Mike.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:06 PM

Ummm, so six out of the eight classes just doesn't cut it, huh? Kinda hard to take pictures of something you weren't even there for. Maybe Duran should take a selfie?  

 

Gimme a break...


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:09 PM

John, read above post. And is not in jest.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:16 PM

... everything at our big races gets covered.


Yup, at your one raceway exactly one hard-working big-hearted guy does all the work. And if he gets run over by a semi or has a car fall on him fatally in his shop, please tell us what you think will happen then regarding race reports from those big races at BPR?
 

Ain't my job.... But, to tell me, "not there, no pictures," ain't buying, Mike.

 

Keeping in mind that the Fall Brawl and the other Premier races are not put nor sanctioned by the IRRA® and that the organization does not generate any revenue stream whatsoever from any of the activities conducted by the members of the BoD, please tell us just whose job you feel it is to document these races for your viewing pleasure?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:29 PM

Answered in my PM to you, Greg.


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 10:37 PM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


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Posted 16 November 2016 - 11:15 PM

Everybody has a camera phone. There have to be pics of these two races somewhere.
 
Duran is an awesome racer and deserves his props.
 
Big ups to the "West Coast Beast." :good:
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Posted 16 November 2016 - 11:44 PM

Guess I'll tag in on this one even though I don't post much outside BPR stuff...
I like reading race reports and seeing the pictures, but we don't always cover everything "big" at BPR.
I did the race report for RetroPro at the Boola Bash this year but that almost didn't happen.
It wasn't till post race that we started talking about it, fortunately between Tim Neja, Chuck V, and myself we had enough to do a report.
I was race directing and more focused on the track than actual racing so for what I "reported" I had to ask around to confirm.
 
Takes a lot of planning from the get go to make a report and get pictures of everything, thanks to all that make them happen.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:04 AM

Curious. Weren't those two races part of the "Fall Brawl"?


Tom,

No different from me not racing or not covering the Friday night Retro Pro races at our premier events. Just not enough time to do it all. I'm barely standing after a three-day event and the Fall Brawl is four!  :)

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 06:51 AM

I did the race report for RetroPro at the Boola Bash this year but that almost didn't happen.


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My apologies to you for my claim that Bryan does it all in post #10.

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:18 AM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


Let's see...you have one guy doing tech for approximately 150 entries, plus taking pictures when he is actually there. You have a couple of people running the facility and working the counter for part sales, race directing, ordering food so the racers don't have to go off-site, and also dealing with customers who walk into the shop that are not part of the event (it's a business and someone still has to run it). Would be nice if some of the racers involved with the Thursday classes would have stepped up, but I guess nobody thought to do it. Maybe someone who was there has some pictures they can share?
 
Is it really anyone's responsibility? It's nice when there is a race report, but I think many people are beginning to expect too much. Bill Fulmer gives a lot of his time during the events he attends taking pictures of every entry. But should this now be expected of him every time?  

 

I think everyone should be thankful for what is provided.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:18 AM

John, read above post. And is not in jest.

 

So exactly what do you bring to the table at the races you attend?


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 07:52 AM

Who pays Noose to tech all the Retro East and IRRA® Premier events, take pictures, do race reports, keep records, etc.? He missed two races in eight years. Not a bad record for someone doing all the work for nothing.

 

Before you complain, step up to try to do what he does.

 

This is all just stupid.


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 08:23 AM

So exactly what do you bring to the table at the races you attend?


Just my amazing personality and stay out of the way. :)  

All points here taken, just wanted to get something off my chest, I did, people have responded.

And now, I'll stay out of your way.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 08:55 AM

Since no one has addressed the question I asked in post #10, let me pose it once again:
 

Just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?


Honestly, does anyone besides the very few of us who work to make it happen think this is an important aspect of Premier-level races? Or is it a waste of our time? Maybe I should start a poll...

Related questions...

Don't have any figures to cite, but Fall Brawl VII attracted racers from numerous states, several from the West Coast, and in years past the Brawl has brought racers from across both the Atlantic and Pacific. Don't the racers who travel great distances and expend enormous amounts of time and money racing for podiums deserve to have their achievements recognized?

Does anyone believe that the Fall Brawl (and the other Premier IRRA® events that are seeing significant numbers of entries) would have grown to those levels of participation had race results and pictures never been published and archived for future reference? Would short-lived Facebook posts and/or word of mouth starting at Fall Brawl I have generated an estimated (still have no clue how many entries for CA+ and RetroPro happened on Thursday; that info is nowhere to be found) 165 entries at Fall Brawl VII?

These are honest questions that hopefully will receive honest answers.
 
If race results and pics aren't important to the majority, foregoing them would sure save Noose, Bryan, Bill, and a few others a lot of time and effort.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:38 AM

Anyone else want to address the question that was asked here: just where should the responsibility lie for generating and posting race results and winning car pictures from Premier-level events, whether being run under IRRA® rules or not?

 

I suggest you ask Paul L. Meiers. 

 

It's the old story of four people: Everbody, Anybody, Somebody, and Nobody. Almost everybody wants to read the results. Anybody can do the job, (maybe not as well as Noose, Brian, or Bill). Somebody should write up the results and take pictures, but Nobody takes up the challenge.

 

I have written a race report back when the Bulletin was being published. It was a challenge for me and not rewarding enough for me to continue. I talked to a frequent author from the Bulletin and he gave me a formula to follow, but you need someone who has a desire to write or a sense of responsibility to see the job through. 


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:44 AM

Spot on...
 
It's a thankless job... and I can understand when people who are not thanked but bitched at eventually say "enough." Been there, done that.
 
So to everyone and anyone who has taken on the task of doing the hard work so the rest of us can play... THANK YOU.  

And for those who say "I just want to come and race"... shame on you. Help these guys out, otherwise your stuff will eventually be collecting dust
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:44 AM

I for one like very much to see race reports, and if there are any pics... that is the best part. I know that when the pics have not only podium pics but also top and bottom pics of all the cars for each class, I spend days looking and reading.

I have to say in these days where almost all cell phones can take fair pictures it would seem to me not that hard to get pics.

No one said whom it had to be. But it only makes sense that the tech inspector would take  pics of the cars.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 09:51 AM

Guys,

Nobody gets "paid" to run or report on events. In the end, very few want to take on the responsibility to administer the event, take photos and write reports. Many would rather just work on their rides. No problem here, just saying.

I am retired and enjoy administering and reporting on our local events - no national hardbody events held in the hamlet of Roseburg, OR.

I appreciate others who toil on these thankless tasks. Thank you all so that others can see what is being run elsewhere.

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