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#51 Pablo

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 06:58 PM

Thanks Capt. Rick :D

 

Did I remember to say, no way could I do this without your having paved the way?

Because all of a sudden your pics aren't loading on your thread.

Was it something I said, or is it my computer? :shok:


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 09:25 PM

Hi Pablo,

Photobucket is down now. They've been having problems with their business. All my threads may be hosed. :wacko2:


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 09:43 PM

Oh thank God. I was worried, believe me.....


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Posted 27 December 2017 - 10:39 PM

This is a serious race car body, just like Joel's. It gets one (inside) decal - that's it. Here it is :)

 

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I made a cockpit mask (using the test mule body) for one area of Grape Pearl paint.

The rest will be a very light dusting of white. Easy, simple, and light

 

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 01:40 AM

This build is like binge watching a Netflix show, I need more!!! Great build. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:59 PM

Hi Pablo,

Photobucket is down now. They've been having problems with their business. All my threads may be hosed. :wacko2:

Not trying to create thread drift.  But this happened to me back when Hurricane Irene hit the east coast in 2011.  It flooded the basement in New York where Fotki kept their servers.
We had to wait 6 months, but everything came back eventually.  (They moved the servers and all the photos eventually came back)
Just be patient, because the alternative is to rebuild all the threads with new photos...

As for the car, you are painting before finishing up the chassis?  Or did I miss something?


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Posted 28 December 2017 - 05:25 PM

It's working now, no problemo.

But I have to admit the thought that "God is punishing me" entered my mind :laugh2:

Normally I wouldn't paint until the car was built, but the bodies are readily available and I bought several :)


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:47 PM

I made up both my front axle assemblies and soldered them on.

Right side was fine, I got lucky.

Screwed the pooch on the left side, so to speak :D

 

Despite careful use of minimal solder and ATF, no amount of cleaning was freeing it up.

Even tried more acid, no go. So I had to remove it. Bunky was laughing at me

 

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Here's the way I should have done both:

 

Set the 3 tube pieces on the wire but don't solder them yet.

Position the setup and tack in on. Remove rear keeper, slide shaft forward.

Apply liberal ATF, then complete the solder joint to rails and "drop arm"

 

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Cleanup with soapy water, work the wire back and forth in the tube to get it clean

 

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Slather ATF on the wire, get everything lined up, and secure the keepers

 

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:55 PM

Hi Pablo,

 

Having built this chassis myself..........I feel your pain!


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 07:10 PM

My own fault - if I hadn't already soldered all the hardware on the front of the drop arm,

the axle would have slid completely forward and out of the tube after tacking it.

Anyway, no pain here :sun_bespectacled: Onward :dance3:


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Posted 29 December 2017 - 10:59 PM

Rumors to the contrary, slot cars are still alive and well thanks to craftsmen who keep it going.

Guys like grooverunner right here on Slotblog.

 

Making perfect quality vintage style drop arms available to builders, and now, even custom pans.

He made a set for my Montague build in my desired thickness and exact dimensions:

 

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With parts like this available, 2018 is looking like "These are the good old days" indeed :dance3:


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 08:02 PM

Went to start making my twin plumber wires, and hit another road block.

Found not one, but TWO batches of 12" .063 piano wire lengths that were so bent I trashed all of it

 

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I am not 100% sure, but I'm getting the feeling all the foot long lengths are bad in both .055 and .063,

and the 36" lengths are straight. Found some of it, and it's straight as an arrow

 

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Sorry for thread drift (waitaminnut, this is my thread) :laugh2:

 


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:04 PM

I had the same thing last summer with. 063 wire in 36" length. Have not had any issues since then so fingers crossed.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 09:24 PM

The bad wire all seems to have one thing in common - "candy cane" or "barber pole" dark striation marks.

Maybe straightness in a piano is unimportant?


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 11:33 PM

The wire in a piano is very different than the K&S you buy at the hobby shop. I really don't know why it's called music wire.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 05:23 PM

I see what you mean, Bill, I Googled "piano wire" and it comes in rolls then needs to be straightened.

Weird, eh? :shok: Anyway, time for twin plumber rails.

 

Capt. Rick didn't mention it, but I'm sure he made his usual slight bends to make them lay flat

 

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If you don't, you end up with this

 

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 06:35 PM

Here is how they should look

 

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:08 PM

Jairus and Noose paint the best interiors on planet Earth.

Not sure which one painted this, but his official name is now "Joel Montague"

 

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:12 PM

I accept no responsibility until proof is provided.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:24 PM

Hi Pablo,

 

Your project is looking great. :sun_bespectacled:

 


Capt. Rick didn't mention it, but I'm sure he made his usual slight bends to make them lay flat

 

 

No, I didn't show every building detail in that thread. It's nice that you are.

 

I tired to cover all the little nuances of angle winder building in an earlier build thread before I did the Joel Montague NATS car:

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 09:36 PM

Cool, Rick, thanks :)

 

I hope I didn't touch a wrong nerve about the driver, Jairus.

I simply opened my box full of drivers/interiors and selected one that looks good on this car.

Honestly I do not remember who painted it. It surely wasn't me :laugh2:


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 01:09 PM

Got my pans. Absolutely perfect :dance3: :victory: :D

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:13 PM

Plumber rails joined, .032 U-wire up front and .055 downstop/bite bar/pan upstop wire in back.

Spaced about .010 per side up front and .015 per side rearward

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 11:47 PM

My nerves are fine.
Your car tho, looks GREAT!

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:20 PM

Thanks :D I can't wait to get the acid splooge off it  :)

 

Triple pan hinge tubes done, and bite bar trimmed. If there is any wow on the plumber rails, I can't see it.

Probably due to twin wires instead of single, and 1/16 tubes instead of 3/32 :dance3:

 

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:06 PM

I installed the "in-between" and rear tube sets before mounting the pans

 

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 07:35 PM

My bite bar brace gizmos are .025

 

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:56 AM

:good: brace gizmos - now there is a technical term I have not heard.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 02:41 PM

Nelson, it's just a gizmo that braces. :laugh2:  It would take a book to explain what a gizmo might be. I think they are very similar to a thing-a-ma-bob.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 10:03 PM

Getting close now......just copying Capt. Rick, and it's been pretty smooth sailing

 

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Plumber upstops are .047 and allow 15 thou lift.

I chose not to install the upstop brace gizmos because I don't consider them necessary.

The solder joint is plenty long and I doubt any hit will bend the .047

 

Pan downstops are .032. Pan lift is about 15 thou at the outer edges.

The grooverunner pans surpassed all my expectations - perfection

 

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:39 PM

I don't consider myself as having mastered wire wrapping yet, but I'm improving :ph34r: 

This time I used #27 armature wire. Held one end in a vice, stretched it tight, and sanded with 180 grit

 

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:39 PM

Looking great Pablo. :)


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 07:45 PM

Thank you :)

 

I chose not to use the upstop gizmos for the front axles. Don't really see any need for them.

My axle springs are .032 and center hinge tube strengtheners are .025

 

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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:25 PM

Your wrapping looks fine. Another alternative for wrapping wire is a solid copper wire from stores & shops that sell beading &/or jewelry making supplies. Locally, I can get a 30 yd. roll of 26 ga. wire from Joann Fabrics for a couple bucks. I got some 22 ga. wire also, but I don't recall its yardage. This Joann usually has a good selection of acrylic paints too.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:52 PM

I remember now that Joel sent me a small amount of carbon steel wire to use for our project. There's no doubt Joel wanted his stuff bulletproof!

 

And Pablo, your copper wire is fine. I use it too and get mine from the craft store like Bill.


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:03 PM

Does it have insulation? If not, it would save some work.

And, is it as strong as armature wire?


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 09:54 PM

Front wheels courtesy of Rick Thigpen.

All eight rotating surfaces were first polished with 800, then finished with 2,000 grit before installation

 

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Plumber wires trimmed flush with the pan ends.

Little bit of rear axle tube tinning where the upper motor brace will go.

 

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That is the last acid that will touch the chassis, I hope.

An SOS and baking soda scrub, then into the tumbler she goes :)


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Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:13 PM

Does it have insulation? If not, it would save some work.

And, is it as strong as armature wire?

 

No insulation, it's also sold in anodized colors too.. I don't have its specs or those of magnet wire to compare it to, but I dare to say if one wrapped joints well with it, chassis pieces would bend before the wrapping wire broke in a hard crash.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 04:38 AM

The best wire wrap I have found is from equipment tags. Just shiny bare metal but it sucks up solder.

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 11:51 AM

The toughest wrapping wire I've ever had is some SS wire that was used for surgical staples.  :)


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:02 PM

Cool Pablo :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:57 PM

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 07:22 PM

ANOTHER fine creation!  Some of you guys make this stuff look soooooo easy!  I still have a hard time just getting the solder where I want it, and not on everything else LOL! 


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:22 PM

Looks pretty! Better looking workmanship than even Joel's. Joel builds a good chassis, but I think his strong point was motors & maybe. chassis design.although he had Mitch Kiel to help with designs. I had my hands on two of Joel's chassis, once at C&C, once at Jewett's in Maine.In Maine, he had a local racer there paint his race body. He referred to it as being "Pooch yellow", but used a purple marker to add numbers & signage.. These two chassis were different from each another, yet neither was built similar to the norm running in the Northeast at that time. Each had some unique features.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:55 PM

Thanks guys :)  Scratchbuilding is personal satisfaction, and cosmetic perfection isn't necessary. :sun_bespectacled:

Axle and gear set up for motor installation

 

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Arm shaft has been cut, champhered, and roughened.

Sharpie marked areas on the can will need to have paint removed

 

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I learned all these techniques right here on Slotblog from my friends  :D


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 10:12 PM

I would be a bit scared to lop off am armature shaft myself !!!  :shok:

 

 

Nice looking car so far Mr. Pablo.  ;)


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 10:25 AM

Nothing to be afraid of. Spin it up at low volts, cut it with a 409 Dremel cutting wheel little by little.

Turn it at an angle and champher the end. Then hit the soldering spot with some 400 to roughen it.

I use the cutoff wheel for that also but I've got big balls :aggressive: :P

 

Practice with a disposable motor, not a Havlicek :laugh2:

 

Or just leave the shaft uncut and the pinion way out there, give the tire something to snack on.

"Let 'er eat" :laugh2:


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:23 PM

Trussed 'er up like a turkey with masking tape, ground the paint off, and tinned with acid.

Yes, Bunky, that pinion is soldered, not pressed, on :curtsey:

 

Whatever paint Havlicek used on this one, is super strong and very beautiful :heart:

 

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 05:13 PM

Finally got smart and covered the repro sticker with a rectangle of shipping tape.

The edges may look rough but it's not going to get scratched

 

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