Braid iron information
#1
Posted 02 January 2018 - 01:49 PM
Matt Sheldon
#2
Posted 02 January 2018 - 02:22 PM
Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#3
Posted 02 January 2018 - 03:23 PM
Find a tinner's iron used for roofing and make a shoe for it.
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#4
Posted 02 January 2018 - 05:10 PM
Check for dry mount sealing iron in art supplies. You may need to make an aluminum guide flag to metal epoxy to the bottom.
Dick Blick: $82+shipping
Larry D. Kelley, MA
retired raceway owner... Raceworld/Ramcat Raceways
racing around Chicago-land
Diode/Omni repair specialist
USRA 2023 member # 2322
IRRA,/Sano/R4 veteran, Flat track racer/MFTS
Host 2006 Formula 2000 & ISRA/USA Nats
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65+ year pin Racing rail/slot cars in America
#6
Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:45 AM
Is that the same iron you used to flatten the braid on the Hillclimber at the store on Conklin St?
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)
"... because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook."
Richard M .Nixon, Nov 17, 1973
"Fool me once, same on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
#7
Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:01 AM
Hi!
#8
Posted 03 January 2018 - 11:56 AM
Sam & Brian:
Hello, guys,
Yes, Sam that is the same iron I used back in the 1970s and early '80s. I am surprised you remember it.
I wish I knew how many tracks I braided it with, probably more than 20. My dad used to hire me out to braid tracks back in the 1970s.
This iron was specifically machined to install 1/4" braid on American tracks. I have, or had, another one that wasn't as good but I cannot find that one. Pulling it out brought back memories, bad memories, but memories none the less. Burnt fingers and arms. Getting hot glue on you and having to wait, painfully, for the glue to cool before peeling it off, sometimes with some skin.
I prefer the modern way, with contact cement, much better.
Peter Vasseur
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#9
Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:40 PM
Attached is a picture of an actual track braid iron with the business end milled specifically for slot tracks.
Thank you, Peter. This is what I remembered.
Matt Sheldon
#11
Posted 03 January 2018 - 02:56 PM
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Matt Sheldon
#12
Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:35 PM
Yes, Sam that is the same iron I used back in the 1970s and early '80s. I am surprised you remember it.
How could I forget? I remember during a race a braid would come up and you would grab that thing and iron it down.
Great times at your Dad's track. Good memories.
Have a good New Year, Pete.
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."
Robert Mueller, special counsel (2013)
"... because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook."
Richard M .Nixon, Nov 17, 1973
"Fool me once, same on... shame on you. Fool me... you can't get fooled again."
George W. Bush
#13
Posted 03 January 2018 - 06:49 PM
IIRC (a mighty big "if"), Cox sold that shoe.
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Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#15
Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:30 PM
Matt Sheldon
#16
Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:45 PM
Think I would make the flag shape contact area only 1-1.5" long to go around corners and concentrate heat better.
The framemaking art stores are getting ripped off.
Larry D. Kelley, MA
retired raceway owner... Raceworld/Ramcat Raceways
racing around Chicago-land
Diode/Omni repair specialist
USRA 2023 member # 2322
IRRA,/Sano/R4 veteran, Flat track racer/MFTS
Host 2006 Formula 2000 & ISRA/USA Nats
Great Lakes Slot Car Club (1/32) member
65+ year pin Racing rail/slot cars in America
#17
Posted 04 January 2018 - 04:36 PM
Think I would make the flag shape contact area only 1-1.5" long to go around corners and concentrate heat better.
Larry,
You are as sharp as a (braid) tack.
As you said, the '60s era braid iron that Jay Guard has was a little difficult to use in the turns on his track due to the length of the piece that goes into the slot.
I asked that bum in FL to send me a pic of his braid iron to post here, but I guess he feels unboxing all of their stuff to finish moving into the new house is more important... the man needs to get his priorities straight! LOL.
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Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#18
Posted 04 January 2018 - 05:59 PM
I remember the preglued braid that we ironed on,but the iron was pretty bulky.A few years back the old King track at Port Jeff needed some braid repairs done before a big race and Doug wanted me to build up the height of the braid recess with bondo.I told him let me do it my way .I built up the low areas with a glue gun and let it cool.Then I put the braid down with a home made braid iron I made many years ago for my home oval track. If you do it correctly it will come out perfect.and it doesn't take as long as you would think.And it also will not damage the track.He was quite impressed ,and that's hard to do with Doug
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#19
Posted 04 January 2018 - 06:03 PM
I actually remember what I did now.I made a second braid shoe that followed behind the hot iron .This shoe had wings sticking out that slid on the topside of the track surface so as to keep the braid consistant to the track surface.I hope you understood that and maybe it can help you out...
#20
Posted 04 January 2018 - 06:31 PM
Sounds real cool.
I'd like to see the pic.
So the wings don't heat up enough to effect the track paint?
I use an iron a lot with removing old braid, and I have to be careful not to get too carried away.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#21
Posted 04 January 2018 - 06:56 PM
The second shoe didn't get heated only from the heat of the braid a little.I didn't do the whole track only some low areas..They raced all the wing classes on it and at he time all new records were set. But it is a good way to repair an old track and save it from the grave.I have bondoed track braid recesses a few times and that has its problems at times because of oils and braid juice that is impregnated in the track pores......BXP
#22
Posted 04 January 2018 - 07:10 PM
I didn't read your post carefully enough.
When you referred to a second shoe, I thought it was a different style.
How does the second shoe connect to the iron?
It would be great to see it.
Mike Swiss
Inventor of the Low CG guide flag 4/20/18
IRRA® Components Committee Chairman
Five-time USRA National Champion (two G7, one G27, two G7 Senior)
Two-time G7 World Champion (1988, 1990), eight G7 main appearances
Eight-time G7 King track single lap world record holder
17B West Ogden Ave., Westmont, IL 60559, (708) 203-8003, mikeswiss86@hotmail.com (also my PayPal address)
Note: Send all USPS packages and mail to: 692 Citadel Drive, Westmont, Illinois 60559
#23
Posted 04 January 2018 - 07:14 PM
It doesn't. You have it separate from the iron and follow behind it pushing it along while the glue and braid are getting warmed by the braid iron. It's easier to do with a helper.
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#24
Posted 04 January 2018 - 07:20 PM
You can also do a double heat job where you get the braid close to the right height the first pass and then re-warm it and get it to the desired height with the second pass.
Ferret Engineering used to have the braid with the glue backing. Ask Jeff Bonnano of PawPaw braid to ask Carrol from Ferret about it.They know Carrol; she lives near them in Florida.
#25
Posted 04 January 2018 - 07:31 PM
Used hot melt glue when we removed the original brass tape and cut a braid shoulder on my 180' Engleman in 1972.
Worked well until it became difficult/expensive to obtain glue that wasn't affected by naphtha.
The past ten years I've used only the 3M 9469PC adhesive transfer tape.
Still have a couple of the original American Beauty braid irons 200W-300W; great for soldering a toilet to a sink.
Jim Honeycutt
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