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#1 MSwiss

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:22 PM

I have a body to mount for a customer, but once done, I'll get up more pics.
 
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In the above pic, all the bends in the .062" wire, were made, while the 2 pcs. were soldered together.
That solder joint was never held by anything other than my fingers.
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:33 PM

Mike,

 

Are you touting the strength of the solder joint or the strength of your fingers?  :scratch_one-s_head: 


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 07:38 PM

The strength of the plating and the solder joint on the plating.
 
If the plating wasn't good, it would peel/break off of the wire.
 
If the solder didn't stick well to the plating, the 2 pieces would easily break apart.

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 09:35 PM

More pics.
 
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As I mentioned before, all the bends were made with the items soldered together. I soldered on to one of my (now) plated tongues, the .047" wire in the front. I was able to make that sharp bend, just with just with my hands, without breaking the joint.
The other one is with plated .055" wire. I wasn't able to get nearly as much leverage, but I was able to bend it, not just as sharp, and again, without breaking the joint.

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In this picture, I soldered on .062" wire. With the thicker wire, I'm not able to get much bending leverage, with just holding the piece, whether I use my fingers or pliers, to try to bend the wire. While not a huge angle, it did still bend, and without breaking the solder joint or plating.

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Here is a pc. of .047" and .055", soldered together, with extreme bends, without breaking the solder joint, or peeling the plating.

Also shown is the plated tongue, with the wire removed, and the solder somewhat smoothed.
 
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This shows the .062" wire, I twisted off of the tongue, with pliers. The solder was reheated, and wiped off, to show the plating intact.

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Here is the tongue, from 2 pictures up, after the solder was removed with a rotary wire brush, in my trim router. Again, the plating is intact.
 
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These are 2 pcs. of .062" wire, soldered together, and bent with pliers, while holding the solder joint with just my fingers.The wire was bent further, with my fingers, with the pic in the first post.

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Here is that piece, with even more bends, and in multiple directions.

All these pictures are to demonstrate, how well the plating solders, with zero prep, and that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't fracture it (the plating).
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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:28 PM

Is this something new? K&S once plated all their piano wire back in the 70's & 80's when all sizes sold for a nickel per foot. I have some 3' lengths of 1/16" sold by Sullivan that are plated too.


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:55 PM

Plated wire from K & S hasn't been available for years.(at least 25, and probably more like 35)

My long time contact at K & S doesn't even remember it.

Regardless, I don't remember it soldering very well.

Mine solders great.

I'm having the wire plated by the top plater for slot car chassis.

I was GM at Koford for 19 years, and believe me, there is some bad platers out there.

I went with the best guy.
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:14 AM

There will be 8 sizes.

Prices are still being firmed up, but I hope to have that all figured out sometime this week.

It will be made available to distributors, for sale to raceways.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 01:08 AM

Whom will you source the wire from? I ask this question b/c I have had some pretty bad experiences lately with wire that was nowhere near straight enough to use. This has especially been the case with some recent purchases of .039 and .047.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:55 AM

Pablo has had complaints with K&S .055 not being usable too. 


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:09 AM

Mike with the plating will the wire be standard sizes or a little over?


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 08:01 AM

Is this something new? K&S once plated all their piano wire back in the 70's & 80's when all sizes sold for a nickel per foot. I have some 3' lengths of 1/16" sold by Sullivan that are plated too.

I remember nickel plated brass tube too.  Always liked the look of it.....


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 08:31 AM

Mike with the plating will the wire be standard sizes or a little over?

 
It will be a little over.

Whom will you source the wire from? I ask this question b/c I have had some pretty bad experiences lately with wire that was nowhere near straight enough to use. This has especially been the case with some recent purchases of .039 and .047.

I think the wire sources all get it from the same place.

That said, a "medium" amount of the wire I'm having plated, was purchased from Sano Dave's mom, and is from years ago.

But that won't last very long, so ultimately, I or the customer, will have to figure out how to straighten what's currently available, or just use it in shorter sections, where the ultimate flatness/straightness, isn't that important.
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 09:16 AM

Pablo has had complaints with K&S .055 not being usable too. 

 

I remember that he posted something about that. The most recent problems I've had has been with smaller wire from a brand that is supposedly superior to K&S but is actually worse. (At least the tubes that I got)


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:13 AM

Jim, I got a tube of .055 from McMaster and that has been pretty good. I usually trim about 1/4" off each end and it's way better than K&S.

Thanks for sharing your new product with us Mike.
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:28 PM

I personally don't think the straightness of the wire has any real world effect on chassis performance unless it's really bad. Even really bad might not matter.

 

PS: I just noticed this thread is in the parts counter forum. Please feel free to delete this post.


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