Jump to content




Photo

Phoenix slot car motor


  • Please log in to reply
19 replies to this topic

#1 Phil Beukema

Phil Beukema

    Mid-Pack Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 198 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:San Diego

Posted 23 May 2018 - 01:05 PM

Does anyone have experience with this motor yet?

 

Looks like a Hawk 7 runs faster than S16d.... $16.95

 

https://www.ebay.com...ass!92020!US!-1


"Line 'em up!"




#2 Tim Wilkins

Tim Wilkins

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,210 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northridge, CA

Posted 23 May 2018 - 03:26 PM

Hope to give it a spin in a wing car on Saturday.  Will try the suggested 13/37 64 pitch gearing.  Roger at Mid America says the racers on his King track are running 2.6-7's laps at that gearing.


  • Tim Wood and Slot-Racer like this

"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti


#3 Phil Beukema

Phil Beukema

    Mid-Pack Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 198 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:San Diego

Posted 23 May 2018 - 06:28 PM

Those are the gears written on his packaging also.

 

It's a great value, especially if you can get 1,000 laps out of the brushes.

 

Seems like a new class of racing?


"Line 'em up!"

#4 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,507 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 23 May 2018 - 07:16 PM

We need another sealed motor, why? 


  • Jesse Gonzales likes this

Bill Fernald
 

:) Heard any good fish stories, let minnow. :) 


#5 Tim Wilkins

Tim Wilkins

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,210 posts
  • Joined: 22-February 13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Northridge, CA

Posted 23 May 2018 - 07:35 PM

More speed at a low cost is always good.  If this motor can really run 2.6's on our Gerding King track, that's a half second faster than the retro hawk and .3 tenths faster than the FK 4002 motor. This motor is not intended as a replacement for retro racing motors.


  • Tim Wood and Slot-Racer like this

"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough" - Mario Andretti


#6 Phil Beukema

Phil Beukema

    Mid-Pack Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 198 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:San Diego

Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:20 AM

We need another sealed motor, why? 

 

It might help solve the issue of the plastic seal coming off or being replaced.


"Line 'em up!"

#7 Bill from NH

Bill from NH

    Age scrubs away speed!

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,507 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Boston, NH

Posted 24 May 2018 - 12:04 PM

Cheaters will always find a way to cheat. :) I think the reported or suspected cheating with built motors is way overblown.


Bill Fernald
 

:) Heard any good fish stories, let minnow. :) 


#8 Phil Beukema

Phil Beukema

    Mid-Pack Racer

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 198 posts
  • Joined: 02-May 18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:San Diego

Posted 24 May 2018 - 12:50 PM

Let's hear it for the honor system!


  • Shiggy and Tim Wood like this
"Line 'em up!"

#9 havlicek

havlicek

    OCD Rewinder

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,004 posts
  • Joined: 20-August 07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NY

Posted 26 May 2018 - 06:54 AM

Cheaters will always find a way to cheat. :) I think the reported or suspected cheating with built motors is way overblown.

 

Absolutely!  The idea that certain types of motors are too difficult to screw-around with is kind of overstated, and someone who is determined (*as dumb as it sounds) to get an unfair advantage can always find a way.  Even without "cheating" per se, people who have deep-enough pockets for an extensive "motor program" can buy a couple dozen (*as dumb as that sounds too!) at a time...and there goes the whole "fast, fun, affordable" thing right out the window.  A $17 motor then becomes a "$200 motor".  :)


  • Rob Voska, swodem, Tim Wood and 1 other like this
John Havlicek

#10 bbr

bbr

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,526 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 12
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:LA

Posted 09 September 2018 - 05:03 PM

Unusual failure / defect.
Endbell was never crimped

_20180909_145837.JPG
Mike Low
Cry like a baby, drive like a girl, walk like a man.
Give me enough rope and I'll build a fast car... or hang myself?

#11 Ramcatlarry

Ramcatlarry

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,365 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:St Charles, IL 60174

Posted 09 September 2018 - 10:06 PM

Quality control is never 100% - especially in China.


Larry D. Kelley, MA
retired raceway owner... (for now)
race directing around Chicago-land

 

Diode/Omni repair specialist
USRA 2017 member #404
USSCA  member

Host 2006 ISRA/USA Nats
Great Lakes Slot Car Club member
60+ year pin Racing rail/slot cars in America


#12 gc4895

gc4895

    On The Lead Lap

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 403 posts
  • Joined: 04-March 16
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Walnut Creek, CA

Posted 10 September 2018 - 09:42 AM

Does Eagle carry these yet?
Mark Bauer

#13 Roger Schmitt

Roger Schmitt

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 397 posts
  • Joined: 14-May 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mid-America

Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:22 PM

Eagle has had them for about 6 weeks

 

 

Mike Low, send that one back to me and I will replace it

 

thanks,

 

roger


  • MG Brown likes this

Roger Schmitt
Mid-America Raceway & Hobbies
Home of Ryder the Track Dog
(630) 484-8574

2009, 2011, 2017 scale nats

2013 Wing Nats

2010, 2016 ISRA World Chamionships

Mid-America Raceway slot car store
Mid-America Raceway eBay Auctions


#14 Slot-Racer

Slot-Racer

    On The Lead Lap

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 267 posts
  • Joined: 01-December 17
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:CA

Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:42 PM

Thank you Roger! I have bought from Mid-America. You guys are great, thank you for helping and having great products and service. 


  • MG Brown likes this
Mario Damis

#15 rvec

rvec

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,170 posts
  • Joined: 08-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Oregon

Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:08 PM

We are using the Hawk 7 motor in our GT1 hardbody class. The 7s run are quick enough out of the box but slow down after several races. I don't mind spending a bit more for a motor that is more consistent and does not slow after a few races. Is the Phoenix a better choice? What has been the experiences of the group?


Rich Vecchio


#16 Ramcatlarry

Ramcatlarry

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,365 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:St Charles, IL 60174

Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:58 PM

We are using the Hawk 7 motor in our GT1 hardbody class. The 7s run are quick enough out of the box but slow down after several races. I don't mind spending a bit more for a motor that is more consistent and does not slow after a few races. Is the Phoenix a better choice? What has been the experiences of the group?

How heavy are your cars?  In the MidAmerca Hardbody series we have found that PS 4002 FK with a 7 T pinion, 32 -34 crown and 1"+ tires is more than fast enough.  We also have an entry 'hobbystock' class using the slower 'purple tape'...PN escapes my memory, check the FB page or B&E Slotsports page for confirmation.

 

The Phoenix works very well GT-1/LMP 12T pinion and GTPGT12 with 13T pinion with .720 - .760" tires.  Too much load makes smoke.


Larry D. Kelley, MA
retired raceway owner... (for now)
race directing around Chicago-land

 

Diode/Omni repair specialist
USRA 2017 member #404
USSCA  member

Host 2006 ISRA/USA Nats
Great Lakes Slot Car Club member
60+ year pin Racing rail/slot cars in America


#17 rvec

rvec

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,170 posts
  • Joined: 08-April 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Oregon

Posted 25 January 2019 - 09:47 PM

How heavy are your cars?  In the MidAmerca Hardbody series we have found that PS 4002 FK with a 7 T pinion, 32 -34 crown and 1"+ tires is more than fast enough.  We also have an entry 'hobbystock' class using the slower 'purple tape'...PN escapes my memory, check the FB page or B&E Slotsports page for confirmation.

 

The Phoenix works very well GT-1/LMP 12T pinion and GTPGT12 with 13T pinion with .720 - .760" tires.  Too much load makes smoke.

Cars weigh about 250 grams

 

BTW the PS4002 has a lot of brakes and torque. Also we had issues with it not starting w/o a push. My track is 90 feet and has tight corners. As I said the Hawk 7 works fine except it slows down after a few races. 

 

We use the Pro-slot 2002 balanced 16d sealed motor for other hard body classes and they work OK


Rich Vecchio


#18 Ramcatlarry

Ramcatlarry

    Posting Leader

  • Subscriber
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,365 posts
  • Joined: 08-March 06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:St Charles, IL 60174

Posted 26 January 2019 - 06:58 PM

The 250 gram range seems a lot for the H-7.  Overheating is easy and why most of these lose brakes from too much mass or  wrong gear range, lugging the motor.

 

PS 4002 is the ceramic puppy dog, 4002FK is the same (?) arm with more magnet.  Got to trim the trailing edge of the brushes or change to the FIRM brushes to reduce the stalling problem.


Larry D. Kelley, MA
retired raceway owner... (for now)
race directing around Chicago-land

 

Diode/Omni repair specialist
USRA 2017 member #404
USSCA  member

Host 2006 ISRA/USA Nats
Great Lakes Slot Car Club member
60+ year pin Racing rail/slot cars in America


#19 ptalar

ptalar

    Rookie Keyboard Racer

  • Full Member
  • Pip
  • 1 posts
  • Joined: 05-March 19
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:CA

Posted 05 March 2019 - 05:11 PM

Does anybody know who is the Chinese manufacturer of the Phoenix Motor?
Phil Talarico

#20 Greg VanPeenen

Greg VanPeenen

    Checkered Flag in Hand

  • Full Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,090 posts
  • Joined: 26-March 10
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MI

Posted 05 March 2019 - 06:12 PM

The 250 gram range seems a lot for the H-7.  Overheating is easy and why most of these lose brakes from too much mass or  wrong gear range, lugging the motor.

 

PS 4002 is the ceramic puppy dog, 4002FK is the same (?) arm with more magnet.  Got to trim the trailing edge of the brushes or change to the FIRM brushes to reduce the stalling problem.

Larry, 

 

It is not the same arm the PS4002FK has the same wind as a JK retro hawk 65 turns of 30 awg. the ProSlot 4002 puppy dog has smaller wire and more winds 75 turns of 31 awg.m The Phoenix motor has solid neo magnets and big wire and runs like a X12.

 

Regards,

GVP







Electric Dreams Online Shop