19 replies to this topic

[Phil Beukema]

Does anyone have experience with this motor yet?

 

Looks like a Hawk 7 runs faster than S16d.... $16.95

 

https://www.ebay.com...ass!92020!US!-1

[Tim Wilkins]

Hope to give it a spin in a wing car on Saturday.  Will try the suggested 13/37 64 pitch gearing.  Roger at Mid America says the racers on his King track are running 2.6-7's laps at that gearing.

[Phil Beukema]

Those are the gears written on his packaging also.

 

It's a great value, especially if you can get 1,000 laps out of the brushes.

 

Seems like a new class of racing?

[Bill from NH]

We need another sealed motor, why? 

[Tim Wilkins]

More speed at a low cost is always good.  If this motor can really run 2.6's on our Gerding King track, that's a half second faster than the retro hawk and .3 tenths faster than the FK 4002 motor. This motor is not intended as a replacement for retro racing motors.

[Phil Beukema]

We need another sealed motor, why? 

 

It might help solve the issue of the plastic seal coming off or being replaced.

[Bill from NH]

Cheaters will always find a way to cheat.  I think the reported or suspected cheating with built motors is way overblown.

[Phil Beukema]

Let's hear it for the honor system!

[havlicek]

Cheaters will always find a way to cheat.  I think the reported or suspected cheating with built motors is way overblown.

 

Absolutely!  The idea that certain types of motors are too difficult to screw-around with is kind of overstated, and someone who is determined (*as dumb as it sounds) to get an unfair advantage can always find a way.  Even without "cheating" per se, people who have deep-enough pockets for an extensive "motor program" can buy a couple dozen (*as dumb as that sounds too!) at a time...and there goes the whole "fast, fun, affordable" thing right out the window.  A $17 motor then becomes a "$200 motor". 

[bbr]

Unusual failure / defect.
Endbell was never crimped

[Ramcatlarry]

Quality control is never 100% - especially in China.

[gc4895]

Does Eagle carry these yet?

[Roger Schmitt]

Eagle has had them for about 6 weeks

 

 

Mike Low, send that one back to me and I will replace it

 

thanks,

 

roger

[Slot-Racer]

Thank you Roger! I have bought from Mid-America. You guys are great, thank you for helping and having great products and service. 

[rvec]

We are using the Hawk 7 motor in our GT1 hardbody class. The 7s run are quick enough out of the box but slow down after several races. I don't mind spending a bit more for a motor that is more consistent and does not slow after a few races. Is the Phoenix a better choice? What has been the experiences of the group?

[Ramcatlarry]

We are using the Hawk 7 motor in our GT1 hardbody class. The 7s run are quick enough out of the box but slow down after several races. I don't mind spending a bit more for a motor that is more consistent and does not slow after a few races. Is the Phoenix a better choice? What has been the experiences of the group?

How heavy are your cars?  In the MidAmerca Hardbody series we have found that PS 4002 FK with a 7 T pinion, 32 -34 crown and 1"+ tires is more than fast enough.  We also have an entry 'hobbystock' class using the slower 'purple tape'...PN escapes my memory, check the FB page or B&E Slotsports page for confirmation.

 

The Phoenix works very well GT-1/LMP 12T pinion and GTPGT12 with 13T pinion with .720 - .760" tires.  Too much load makes smoke.

[rvec]

How heavy are your cars?  In the MidAmerca Hardbody series we have found that PS 4002 FK with a 7 T pinion, 32 -34 crown and 1"+ tires is more than fast enough.  We also have an entry 'hobbystock' class using the slower 'purple tape'...PN escapes my memory, check the FB page or B&E Slotsports page for confirmation.

 

The Phoenix works very well GT-1/LMP 12T pinion and GTPGT12 with 13T pinion with .720 - .760" tires.  Too much load makes smoke.

Cars weigh about 250 grams

 

BTW the PS4002 has a lot of brakes and torque. Also we had issues with it not starting w/o a push. My track is 90 feet and has tight corners. As I said the Hawk 7 works fine except it slows down after a few races. 

 

We use the Pro-slot 2002 balanced 16d sealed motor for other hard body classes and they work OK

[Ramcatlarry]

The 250 gram range seems a lot for the H-7.  Overheating is easy and why most of these lose brakes from too much mass or  wrong gear range, lugging the motor.

 

PS 4002 is the ceramic puppy dog, 4002FK is the same (?) arm with more magnet.  Got to trim the trailing edge of the brushes or change to the FIRM brushes to reduce the stalling problem.

[ptalar]

Does anybody know who is the Chinese manufacturer of the Phoenix Motor?

[Greg VanPeenen]

The 250 gram range seems a lot for the H-7.  Overheating is easy and why most of these lose brakes from too much mass or  wrong gear range, lugging the motor.

 

PS 4002 is the ceramic puppy dog, 4002FK is the same (?) arm with more magnet.  Got to trim the trailing edge of the brushes or change to the FIRM brushes to reduce the stalling problem.

Larry, 

 

It is not the same arm the PS4002FK has the same wind as a JK retro hawk 65 turns of 30 awg. the ProSlot 4002 puppy dog has smaller wire and more winds 75 turns of 31 awg.m The Phoenix motor has solid neo magnets and big wire and runs like a X12.

 

Regards,

GVP