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#1 tazman

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 09:31 AM

Has anybody tried this motor and are they faster than a Hawk 7 and/or Retro?


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 11:21 AM

A couple of posts already started on this motor but the simple answer is YES. 

 

Testing is just starting now at several raceways with several types of cars such as wing, LMP, and stock cars both on the King tracks and flat tracks. I'm sure some guys will try it out in their Retro cars as well. It may be a few weeks before solid numbers come in.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:00 PM

FWIW, I saw this on FB this morning.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:19 PM

3.3's is very respectable with LMP cars on BPR's King Track.  They held a race on 5/17/18 and the fastest lap running Hawk 7's was 3.81.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:24 PM

What does a S16d do in a LMP car same track?

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What does a PS4007 do in a LMP car same track?


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 01:06 PM

I would think slower than the new Phoenix motor.  Both of those motors are not part of BPR's LMP racing program so I doubt anyone has experimented with them yet, especially since most of BPR's LMP racing is done on their flat track.  The Phoenix motor is still FK size and would handle better than the larger s16d motor.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 02:01 PM

Only $16.00, buy one and try it out. That's part of the fun!


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 04:14 PM

At that price I can get a few!


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 12:14 PM

Something made it faster, what was it?  If it's faster than a Hawk 7 that has 61 turns of #30 wire then does it have less wire?  Is it faster than an HR that has 65 turns of #30 wire, it should be.  It sounds like a revised version of the Evil 9/Demon FK motors but with just one more turn of wire. Are they run anywhere anymore?


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 12:18 PM

These motors are quite a bit faster than an Evil 9.

 

They are "Group 12 like", in speed.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:55 PM

So their not made to run against the regular FK motors.  They're just a "so called" tamperproof motor meant to do what, race in a singular class? 


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:06 PM

No, unless the class is called "banking much slower cars".

I guess it's a big velocity for the $$$, motor, that the raceways can decide what they want to use them for.

IMO, it's pretty impressive that an FK motor, that fast, is reliable.
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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:19 PM

Have anyone tried several of the Phoenix motor and got any impression of how equal the motors are? The later Hawk 7 motors have been very different in speed, and the later batches slower than the ones from a couple of years back.If the Phoenix are more consistent they might be an alternative.



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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:50 PM

I believe BPR is planning an 80 minute enduro with these motors. That should provide some good data.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 06:37 PM

If they are faster then a good Hawk7 they will be much faster then a 4002FK or the new 4007. Might be a good choice for something like a Can-Am plus type car. Or they just might be the motor of choice for a new American Retro Racing Assoc. Just planing auh wishful thinking in print. A motor that fast in a standard Retro car would be a hand full.  

 

You never know. I has been done before. Right Ron

 

Would need to test a few to make sure they are what they are claimed to be and they all run alike.

 

Yes, you just never know.

 

 

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 08:04 PM

I'm in on the enduro at BPR with the new Phoenix motor.

Hey Wilkins, some guy named Tim Wood did a 3.68 lap on the king at BPR with the Hawk 7 and holds the record for laps 371 for LMP's. (2/15/18)  Bring on the Phoenix.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:27 PM

I put one of these in a Group F chassis---will test it tomorrow night on the King! Curious to see how much faster they are then the FK or the 4002FK's.  The magnets are AWSOME!!! Very chunky!!  


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:47 PM

I tried the Group F chassis with this Phoenix motor last Saturday at BPR's King track between retro races and ran some 2.9's but was unable to punch the lead on so it really wasn't a good test.  Probably the wonder rubber build up mixing with the Koford spec tires.  Definitely a very fast motor.  Has a larger gauge wire and stronger magnets than the Retro Hawk, Hawk 7's and the like.


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:39 PM

Tim the Koford Spec Tire is wonder rubber just harder then we run in Retro 

 

Neja I'll be there Thursday also to play on the King I'll bring a slow box car it's 73 grams and 4.6 long and see how they run together 

 

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:42 PM

I've been contemplating running one of these in my RetroPro ride at the next major race we have at BPR!


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:46 PM

Craig I think they Might be faster wire I think is 28 gauge and the Neo Mag's are a big plus 

 

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:56 PM

I tried the Group F chassis with this Phoenix motor last Saturday at BPR's King track between retro races and ran some 2.9's but was unable to punch the lead on so it really wasn't a good test.  Probably the wonder rubber build up mixing with the Koford spec tires.  Definitely a very fast motor.  Has a larger gauge wire and stronger magnets than the Retro Hawk, Hawk 7's and the like.


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 01:32 AM

What gearing were you using? Thanks Bill

 

The suggested 13/37 64 pitch as listed on the header card.


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Posted 31 May 2018 - 05:13 AM

Thanks.
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Posted 31 May 2018 - 06:23 AM


 

Or they just might be the motor of choice for a new American Retro Racing Assoc.  

 

You never know. I has been done before. Right Ron

 

Yes, you just never know.

 

 

???


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