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#101 don.siegel

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 02:55 PM

First, my apologies: Floyd Manley did talk about the 26D/16D/Arco combo, but he didn't give it any kind of number. I invented that in my fevered effort to prove Philippe wrong, even tangentially!

Anyway, it was in the April 67 issue of Model Car & Track, in the Southern Sampling column, where he suggests stuffing a 601 armature into a 507 can, cutting down some 707 Arcos, trimming 3/32" off the can, etc. As he says, "... the gain is well worth the effort. You'll have torque like a 6-foot crow bar."

Drats, foiled again!

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 03:07 PM

Aha, I retract that apology. I should have known I wasn't crazy, although remembering one sentence at random in a 40 year old magazine may not exactly be a sign of good health....

In the June 67 column, it goes like this, in reponse to letters from around the country:

"Quote "nothing can touch my 601 on the 225-foot track." unquote. Aw, come on Scotty, I'll bet my Porsche, with the 603 armature in a 507 can, will."

Probably a typo, but there you have it: incontrovertible proof of a 603!

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 03:10 PM

I dunno about the rest of you guys but I'd like to take that Blue Fairy out to dinner or something, maybe a movie with popcorn and $9.00 tickets.

- Mikey
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 03:21 PM

And to make up for all this silliness, a couple more shots of my favorite motors, starting with "high performance cans", in the 66-67 timeframe.... (Pittcan, Versitec 101, Pactra hemi, 16D with Pittman brushes and a 26D)

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A couple oddballs, and their industrial counterparts...
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And a few more oddballs, derivatives of god knows what....
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(a magwinder type dragster setup, with a Ram arm and a magnet from ???

K's STV and Rikominx
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Winding up with three of the more obscure items in slot history: the Magnet Motor Corp Mark 21 ... and the same motor by Classic (550 I think), and the Athearn Jet 500!
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 03:50 PM

And to make up for all this silliness...
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(a magwinder type dragster setup, with a Ram arm and a magnet from ???


Don that thing is great!, does it run, wanna trade?
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 04:44 PM

Hi Ed,

It actually runs pretty well - I was doing about 1.7 ETs on 16V last time I tried it - it's got a great Mustang drag body too...

Fraid this one is not up for trade, but I've got an incomplete copy of the chassis if you feel like working on it, just let me know...

Don

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 04:54 PM

"Quote "nothing can touch my 601 on the 225-foot track." unquote. Aw, come on Scotty, I'll bet my Porsche, with the 603 armature in a 507 can, will."

Probably a typo, but there you have it: incontrovertible proof of a 603!

Probably unless Floyd as I said in an earlier post, appropriated the name "503" for his own contraption, and I have a thousand smuckaroos riding on it... :)

Actually it is quite amazing but I believe that we now have every single FT26 product (motor and parts in original packaging) ever produced by Champion. It is becoming difficult to find NEW stuff... ;)
One we are missing in the collection is that freaky big fat round Classic motor in its original box.

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 05:04 PM

Yep, that's a real oddball; one was on ebay recently, but without the box. And one with the box came up last year I think... But who'd ever even heard of these???

Anyway, for you drag fans here's another classic!

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Now there's a blast from the past!

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 06:10 PM

The Lindsay's were the motor to have until rewound RAM based on the DC85 rammed them out... and Lindsay's are quite rare today.

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Posted 19 August 2008 - 09:35 PM

WOOT! Don! Nice pics! :)

- Mikey
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Posted 19 August 2008 - 09:57 PM

Don,
Now that you are a photographer par excellence, I think you need to to do a full photo shoot on that crazy dragster. I just noticed the heavy duty brush springs. Let's see some more!!!

(The spare chassis may be of interest!!!)
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 10:50 AM

Don, that brush spring looks like it might be a modified safety pin. Any idea if it is? :)
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 11:01 AM

Yep, almost definitely Bill!

And maybe you and the other real car fans can recognize the ring magnet on that dragster. I don't know what it is, but in the period articles there is a reference or two to home-made motors with windshield-wiper magnets - so I thought maybe that's where it came from... would a windshield wiper motor use that kind of magnet?

Don

PS: Philippe, I don't think that many of the drag motors were rewound, but they used 6-volt arms from first Pittman, then Ram - they were generally running on at least 24 to 36 volts (or 40+ if three batteries were used), so didn't really need to rewind these! But from our limited experience, the laminated pole motors definitely need a little extra voltage to give their best...

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 11:45 AM

Hi Don,
By 1965, the TOP racers (Husting etc.) were pretty much all rewinding their arms. We have ample evidence of this as well as access to all of Husting's motors, and indeed they were rewound, trued, balanced and the magnetic material constantly re-zapped with modified SIMCO magnetizers with added batteries of capacitors... :)
But at the beginning, most did not bother and simply placed the best arm in the best setup they could find.

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 12:06 PM

So, did you ask Gene what wind he used?

Thanks for that detail Philippe - from reading the magazine articles that part wasn't too clear - not sure if they were hiding it, or just didn't mention that little detail! But I did realize that they were all balanced, epoxied, etc. and sounds like they also had the com cleaned every time, and retrued often...

Don

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 05:44 PM

Philippe:

Perhaps you can answer a question for me. I seem to remember reading somewhere that a Lindsay model 1010 (?) was the first to break the 1.0 mark on the drag strip. Is that indeed correct or did the honor go to one of the Ram/Pitman 85 cars run by fellows like Gene Husting and Bob Braverman?

Also, have any of Mr. Braverman's cars survived until now? Inquiring minds..........


Regards--------Jack

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 06:45 PM

Philippe:

Perhaps you can answer a question for me. I seem to remember reading somewhere that a Lindsay model 1010 (?) was the first to break the 1.0 mark on the drag strip.

Yep, it was Bob Findlay and I think it was in the January 1964 issue of Car Model mag.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 04:47 AM

Bob,

I think you're thinking of Bob Cartwright, not Findlay; he was the one who used the Lindsay motors.

Looks like it's time for a vintage dragster thread...

Don

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 07:17 AM

I would just like to thank all of you for making this thread so...productive! That was the goal and we have reached that goal.

Thank yas!

- Mikey
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 07:24 AM

And thanks to you Mike for starting this thread!

I was very glad to see that I'm not the only one obsessed with these old motors, and with everything from buying new ones to chuckling at the oddball models, to memories of rewinding them - and burnin' them up!

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 11:42 AM

Looking for more input from around the Globe :)

I just picked up some parts to start some new cars.

So many parts, so many bodies, so little space, so little time... :(

- Mikey
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 12:19 PM

Bob,

I think you're thinking of Bob Cartwright, not Findlay; he was the one who used the Lindsay motors.

Looks likeof course it's time for a vintage dragster thread...

Don

You are right, I was doing it from (duh...) memory. :prankster2: :scratch_one-s_head:

It is definitely time for a vintage dragster thread.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:34 AM

Anyone LOVE 36Ds? =)

- Mike



Hi Mikey, you know i luv the enduring 36D motors......one of these days i plan to build a "hot" 36D rewind......maybe with some French motor co. parts, and others i can find......
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 09:06 PM

Hey Glenn!

We'll discuss soon, HOT 36Ds are just that...HOT! :)

- Mikey

Hi Mikey, you know i luv the enduring 36D motors......one of these days i plan to build a "hot" 36D rewind......maybe with some French motor co. parts, and others i can find......


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Posted 31 August 2008 - 10:44 PM

I :wub: this topic!

Anyone else care to share?

:smoking:
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