Much has been said about the probable “death” of Slot Car Racing and indeed most traditional hobbies once the current generation of over-40 participants have passed on or lost their hand-eye skills.

Growing our hobby/sport: Is it possible in the 21st Century?
#1
Posted 11 March 2020 - 03:43 PM
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#2
Posted 11 March 2020 - 04:47 PM
I have no answers but I do have some thoughts.
- I used to think kids who grew up around slot cars made better drivers of 1/1 cars. But now that they are making self-driving cars, I guess that's out the window …….
- Now they make trucks that automatically back a boat trailer down the launch ramp. Great. Now we have idiots on the waterways who can't back a trailer …… as if we didn't already have enough idiots with more money than sense …… (not to be confused with the new trucks with cameras for backing that make the trailer "invisible" which, IMO, is absolutely brilliant)
- Students going to a trade school to learn computer-design, brilliant …..
- Here in Mississippi we have teachers who are illiterate. Go figure ……...
- How did a person with a doctorate degree who can't spell get where he/she is today? His wife wrote his/her thesis …….
- Great parents will always have the best kids. Just teach the basics of love, work, reward, persistence, etc., and they will be fine.
- Is saving dinosaur slot cars worthwhile? I doubt it. Let's just enjoy ourselves and let the new generation do their own thing …..
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Paul Wolcott
#3
Posted 11 March 2020 - 04:54 PM
My answer is yes, but it's going to take an approach or approaches that the industry and its participants have so far declined to embrace.
And it's going to take a lot more places for people to practice the hobby than we have now, which might seem like a separate issue but really isn't.
Is it possible? Yes. Will it happen? No.
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Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#4
Posted 11 March 2020 - 05:03 PM
I will be 50 this year and I am confident that in my time left, I will be racing slot cars somewhere, somehow. If I have to buy my own tracks, so be it.
So there! Theres one man signed up for the next 40 years! Lord willing.
MG
#5
Posted 11 March 2020 - 07:17 PM
Don't be so pessimistic about slot cars:
Google slot cars. You still get about 77,400,000 results.
Seems fairly popular, at least we're ahead of basket weaving, lawn darts, and macrame.
So, the real issue is "your" commercial slot car raceway business, which actually died in the '60s and will probably continue being pretty much dead at the same sloooooowly declining level as it has been in the USA.
I believe other countries have done better than we have at promoting slot cars with clubs and home racing.
Sometimes commercialism, money, and ultimate speed aren't the way to go with a hobby.
Wonder why Womps are becoming popular again? LOL.
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Jim Honeycutt
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#6
Posted 11 March 2020 - 07:59 PM
Matt Bishop
#7
Posted 11 March 2020 - 08:00 PM
... the real issue is "your" commercial slot car raceway business...
Exactly right, but as I have pointed out many times previously that's the segment most here are speaking of when they refer to the shrinking "slot car hobby/sport."
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Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#8
Posted 11 March 2020 - 08:54 PM
I have no answers but I do have some thoughts.
- Great parents will always have the best kids. Just teach the basics of love, work, reward, persistence, etc., and they will be fine.
- Is saving dinosaur slot cars worthwhile? I doubt it. Let's just enjoy ourselves and let the new generation do their own thing …..
Couldn't agree more.
This type of discussion is an on-going topic in the model railroad/toy train world as well...
Mark in Oregon
#9
Posted 11 March 2020 - 08:55 PM
Heres a thought:
What if a commercial slot car track was a home-based business?
Men build garages and buildings on their properties for all kinds of hobbies.
Instead of paying rent, etc...
I love going to a commercial raceway and spend all of my money at my local track.
But maybe in the future, that changes a bit.
#10
Posted 12 March 2020 - 08:31 AM
A couple old guys playing and racing slot cars at somebody's home is not the same as a business that encourages young people and new people. Home racing is fine, but how do you decide when you have the general public in, when do your buddies come and have fun, when do open up and 'act' like a retail establishment? How do you make enough money to even pay for a track and overhead, forget about making an actual profit? Do you get a license and pay taxes?
There is no answer for 1/24 except outstanding, smart, business-minded owners and if they don't love slot car racing, they won't last. It is a 'labor of love.' When the current generation of successful owners retire, I doubt if any young people would view a slot track as a viable business.
Just have fun, while you can. If you're lucky you might have a couple friends and can build/set-up a 1/24 track and keep it alive as long as you can.
Have we had this discussion before?
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Matt Bishop
#11
Posted 12 March 2020 - 09:19 AM
Do you get a license and pay taxes?
Don't forget zoning issues. A bunch of cars parking on a street several times a week is almost certainly going to generate complaints from neighbors.
Just have fun, while you can. If you're lucky you might have a couple friends and can build/set-up a 1/24 track and keep it alive as long as you can.
This is the saddest part for me. So many in the 1/24 hobby have essentially given up on doing anything different in the commercial space, on compromising and/or cooperating for the overall good of the 1/24 hobby, to generate a more positive trajectory.
Have we had this discussion before?
Many, many times...
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Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#12
Posted 12 March 2020 - 09:46 AM
Have we had this discussion before?
Yes, Matt. Many times, but the latest of any extent, and with a similar title, eight months ago.
It only took me about 30 seconds to find it, using Slotblog's excellent search function.
Just the same, I went ahead and pinned it.
What will it take to see growth in this hobby?
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#13
Posted 12 March 2020 - 11:29 AM
I've visited Dallas Slot Cars a couple of times recently. They have an exceptionally nice facility and are doing very well. They have an excellent flat track and have good turnouts for races.
But Jay told me drag racing is what keeps the doors open. They seem to have this figured out. Might not hurt for anyone interested in opening a track to give them a call.
???-2/31/23
Requiescat in Pace
#14
Posted 12 March 2020 - 11:32 AM
If we want new folks to enter the hobby we will need to reach out to them on their format. While many here don't like Facebook, the fact remains, a Facebook post boost is a very cost effective. Using target words and the zip code radius options, it becomes a very efficient way to target a group of people who would have a higher percentage of interest. We all glanced over ads in a written news paper or magazine and never really looked at it. Yet how many of us have opened an post "suggested" on our Facebook page?
From a store's point of view, it can be as little as 5 bucks with a few minutes of time and some pictures of the store, products and class cars.
We have featured stores in the past on our page and boosted those posts for $20 ( at our expense) over a weekend in their zip code. Nearly all said they saw an increase in walk in traffic that weekend. After that, it is up to the store to keep them as customers.
A Facebook post is so easy to do. Many stores spotlight the podium each week on their FB page. Include some pics of the field of cars before the race and maybe a few track/retail area/store front pics and it becomes more bait to reel the newbie into the store when they search through your page after being introduced by the boost. Seeing pics with 10 or 20 cars on the track over and over looks like a ton of fun. And those with a drag strip.....every store has someone who has some really outstanding cars.
I have often wondered why stores don't post the next class to be raced with dates and times while making a podium post. Its free advertising! I can't tell you how many races I didn't learn about until after the race was over.
I wish Facebook would have been more prominent when we had our track many years ago. But I am taking advantage of it now and we continue to grow.
It seems we are working against ourselves by making new customers search us out. We need to change that. Younger people have no clue about slot cars. Why would they search for something they don't even know exists?
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#15
Posted 12 March 2020 - 06:43 PM
Brian,
Couldn't agree more.
MattD and Cheater,
I'm just trying to get people to open up their mind a bit. Rather than the doom and gloom.
Have you ever thought that maybe some positive discussions will spark some ideas that may help?
C'mon, men.
Now, go ahead, doom and gloom us some more...
If someone had the funds to build or already had a building, it could be done.
What I am saying is: maybe there is a little better business model rather than to pay high rent, etc...
And I am not talking about a business in the middle of the suburbs or on the city streets.
Maybe it's in a smaller township, etc...
Now fire away at that, gentleman.
MG
#16
Posted 12 March 2020 - 07:42 PM
Since most of the racers are over 60, they need to leave a bunch of money to a slot car track as the designated beneficiary when they die. Hopefully it would be enough to make the rent a non-issue.
Maybe if they are generous enough the track time and race fees would be covered also.
#17
Posted 12 March 2020 - 08:21 PM
MG, just so you think I'm all mouth with no action, this is my track, that I built in my building. I charge nothing for guys to race on it. I build cars for everybody and keep the cost as cheap as eBay lets me. Controllers are hooked up and ready to go, you walk in and I will put a car on the track and you'll be racing a well-tuned car with no out of pocket expense in a few minutes.
We have a weekly race nite and everybody I know is invited to stop by and watch or play. If they don't want to try it then, I am always OK with meeting them during the week and doing a little one on one teaching. If they have kids or grandkids, they are welcome too and I will open up any time I can to let these guys and kids come in and play. I have some Womps that are suitable for newbies.
You know who comes back every week? Six-eight hot rod buddies. I am younger than every one of them at 69! Kids like it once or even twice but they don't care to stay with it. Not at all unusual that after 20 minuutes or so they pull out a phone and check whatever they check on their phones.
I have nearby church and the handyman's son is somewhat crippled. I setup an SCX set for him on a 3'X5' plywood. He thought it was great. After a month or two I asked his dad if he was still playing with it and he told me they moved it out in a storage shed till warm weather would get here..
Gave a step grandson a Carrrera set and extra track for his birthday. Four cars set up with silicone slicks. The kids that came to his party had fun that afternoon. That was three-four years ago and I haven't seen the set since then...
A lot of us talk slot cars with other people and provide an entrance to the hobby. I'm sure the result I have had with kids is pretty much the same for 70% of the guys on here. Not everybody, but I'm sure a majority can tell the same story.
It's just a different era. How many commercial tracks do you think would be still in business if a guy didn't have a pension or a wife with a good job and insurance?
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Matt Bishop
#18
Posted 12 March 2020 - 09:13 PM
Drag racing is very popular, and across many age groups. The other thing is the footprint necessary for a high-quality drag track is pretty small, relative anyway to road courses.
Other than drag tracks, I would think it likely that slot racing evolves into home tracks. It's actually pretty difficult to imagine, more broadly thinking, that the commercial model for 1/24 track racing will continue to exist except in special circumstance locations. The footprint necessary for a couple of tracks is large. Rent, in many commercial locations, simply consumes too many $$$. On a revenue per square foot basis, it's difficult for slot car tracks to compete with restaurants and other commercial locations that deliver services that Amazon cannot.
#19
Posted 12 March 2020 - 10:02 PM
MattD,
It's a great set up. Truly awesome!
I get it, I really do, about the slot car hobby potentially dying out.
New thinking and new ideas may breathe some life back into things. May spark someone to take actions to bring new people into the hobby. I like to stay positive about it.
Race on, MattD!
MG
#20
Posted 12 March 2020 - 10:27 PM
I'm positive me and my buddies have fun now and in 10 years my track may be firewoodl It doesn't really matter to me if future generations play with slot cars, collect stamps, or have a chemistry set! If they want phones and electronics, OK.
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Matt Bishop
#21
Posted 13 March 2020 - 03:01 AM
If someone had the funds to build or already had a building, it could be done.
What I am saying is: maybe there is a little better business model rather than to pay high rent, etc...
Let me ask you this hypothetical question, MG.
Let's suppose that instantaneously 100 commercial slot car racways appeared overnight in the US, distributed evenly about the country in both urabn and non-urban areas. Let's further suppose that all of them were owned by deep-pocket operators who had no need to generate an overhead-covering profit.
In your opinion, would that generate growth in the 1/24 hobby/sport? Beyond, of course, the new patrons of those 100 additional raceways.
My point is that the effect of a few more viable raceways (or even more than a few) will not cause growth in the hobby/sport of 1/24 slot racing. It's going to take something else, a different approach involving (I feel) the coordinated actions of people in the hooby who target such growth as the goal.
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Gregory Wells
Never forget that first place goes to the racer with the MOST laps, not the racer with the FASTEST lap
#22
Posted 13 March 2020 - 08:54 AM
We're going to find out in SoCal if a new track can open up and be successful!! Richard Carnutte is setting up shop in the OC area soon – a King track and flat track as well as drag racing. He's a very good businessman and world class slot racer, so I"m sure it will be run well and stocked well with parts and supplies. Unfortunately, it will probably mean the death of Buena Park Raceway as far as road racing, but I think their drag program will keep them healthy.
Let's see if in one of the largest markets in the world, if a new dedicated slot facing facility can grow!! I sincerley hope so, it would be great for the hobby!!
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#23
Posted 13 March 2020 - 09:42 AM
Between 1955 and 2020 many things have made changes in our lifestyles.
1) HOUSING. Before condominiums and ranch style housing, most of our housing stock always had spaces that were suited for indoor activities such as workshops we need for building our model cars. The bulk of modern housing does not provide the space for more than eating and sleeping let alone working and storing active hobbies like slot cars or wood working or hot rods. Those rich enough can build them, but a large garage, spare room, or basement is not as common as in the past.
2) BUSINESS MODEL. Face it, a slot racing facility is RECREATION facility, not just a retail sales site...just like the golf course or tennis court. The sales counter is a small part of the floor space. We need active legal study to make it financially able to create more raceways or a return to the franchise models of the initial raceways of the 1960s.
3) CLUBS. The world outside of the USA seems to be working OK with club based raceways. In my Army days, our base had 'craft shops' which were dedicated buildings for special activities. Woodworking, auto repair, libraries, theater, and baseball diamonds were a few of the crafts supported. The 'Maker Space' is a new craft shop starting to happen in many areas, but the local park district is the primary form that has replaced the YMCA spaces in my area. The use of tools and all forms of motorized sport has been sorely neglected if not frowned upon by the 'powers'.
Larry D. Kelley, MA
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#24
Posted 13 March 2020 - 10:44 AM
Matt, I didn't know you have a home track. Very cool track! I bet you can catch some air going over the bridge if you're not careful!
???-2/31/23
Requiescat in Pace
#25
Posted 13 March 2020 - 11:36 AM
Let me ask you this hypothetical question, MG.
Let's suppose that instantaneously 100 commercial slot car racways appeared overnight in the US, distributed evenly about the country in both urabn and non-urban areas. Let's further suppose that all of them were owned by deep-pocket operators who had no need to generate an overhead-covering profit.
I do not believe so - for the reasons stated in the first post.
The 100 new raceways might attract the people that use the excuse that the nearest raceway is "too far" but it is likely that they will find another excuse to not participate.