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[bbr]

Nice, an esc developed for slot car racing.
I'm ready for this.
Now some motor guru needs to develop some brushless motors specifically for slot racing, yah, motors that requires no rebuilding.

I've run over 1000 laps on a brushless motor with no drop in performance, could have run a few 1000 more but  -  I got tired

[Eddie Fleming]

IMO

 

If someone makes a motor and driver board really available as a mount it and run it system, and it has brakes this will take over the hobby.

[bbr]

who is gamed??? 

who is gonna have someone in china manufacture the esc for pennies, the motors are readily available already.

yes - these have brakes

[MSwiss]

The question no one has mentioned is how easy are these motors opened up?

The majority of slot car racing is with speced motors.

One frequent Slotblog poster has mentioned how easy these worked can be racer modified.

If they can't stay speced, I don't see a widespread future.

[bbr]

fk sealed cans, I know three ways to improve performance wo opening can and undetectable.

 

like anything, it is a matter up to the rule set and organizer.

 

the R Mack mission is to have a motor for eurosport racing, which is possible with stronger magnets and differ winds.

 

if anything, you got a motor package that don't need rebuilding and runs thousands of laps wo drop in performance.

 

it is a matter of time,,, and it seems the time is arriving

 

btw you can measure and spec the ohm of the winds and gauss the magnets if you want to regulate the motors

[Phil Smith]

They're pretty neat, but why would any race track owner want to race them? They would kill whatever motor sales they had.

[MSwiss]

Mike,
If your first statement was true, you wouldn't be advertising it, and would likely be too busy, to even be posting now.

My point is very little racing is with unrestricted motors.

That's not to say if a $75 or less, investment, with no maintenance, was all that was required, it might attract more racers to that class.

And a reminder, while the guy who was winning a race with a brushless motor, it was in a non-top racer class, at a pace nowhere like the racers in the top class.

[bbr]

I do not race sealed can motors seriously anymore and do not care, if I do run it is to hangout with guys that I like.

 

I'm just interested in "hot rodding" slot cars for fun.

 

so if someone wants to spec a class for brushless,,, cool. but I don't care either.

 

so those that are interested,,, go for it!!!

 

those that poo, poo it, that's ok too... LOL

[MSwiss]

I don't see how your FK comment has anything to do with the ability to make brushless motors tamperproof.

 

And I still think you are kidding yourself that you can soup up FK motors without detection.

 

PS-Magnet zapping was a rumor of an undetectable "hop up" that never went anywhere.

[bbr]

LOL... I have done it, someone mention it to me it a passing conversation, with an rpm increase... LOL

 

and it is so simple,,, LOL

 

so if I have done it,,, then those that know are doing it too,,, LOL

 

but I've never raced with it

 

but --- I don't race anymore,,, LOL

 

but this post is about brushless,,, not how to cheat,,, LOL

[MSwiss]

Getting an RPM increase on a dyno, and getting lower lap times on a track, for 24 minutes straight, is too different things.

You are the one who brought up FK motors, in a discussion about brushless motors.

[bbr]

regardless of how well you try to keep it fair, there are guy that knows a whole lot and do not share... LOL

bc that's what makes them fast n winning in racing.

 

some of it is experience and some is cheating...

 

so no matter what, guys will fine ways, seen it from the most regarded racers, but that is racing...

 

so... anyone that's going to make some 2v esc,,, I'm interested in some,,, lets go!!! --- I got cars w brushless motors that needs esc!!!

 

I should've been an electrical engineer instead of mechanical, then I can make my own esc... LOL

[NateT]

I cant wait to see guys tuning their speed controllers with their phones or the spec motor of the month wars.

End of the day, the guys that work on their stuff will still be fast and all the guys that throw their cars on the track who have not looked at it since the last club race will still be slow.

I am not sure how it would affect track owners as it could be a short term boon that turns into long term depression of sales. 

It does open up the hobby to some of the bigger name RC manufacturers like Tekin, castle creations or possibly the return of Trinity.  This could give the hobby more exposure as the above mentioned companies have bigger advertising budgets and audience than any current slot only manufacturer.

I am pro brushed motors as I love building motors and all the tinkering it requires.  Motor building was one of the main things that brought me back that I was missing in RC.  However I do see the benefit of brushless motors and I had used them since their introduction into RC. 

The question will be will this further dilute the racer base by creating yet another class, or will it strengthen it by bringing in new racers?

[jimht]

Brushless motors are coming because slot cars in 1/24 scale are a "tinker with it" hobby, not a toy.

 

Whether they're good or bad for whatever is irrelevant, just as neither sealed or cobalt motors can be defined as either good or bad.

 

More stuff to mess with for those who want to.

 

The miniscule size of the market hasn't stopped anyone from coming up with insanely fast and expensive motors, controllers and chassis.

 

If this somehow leads to more speed for less money it will happen and will be a benefit.

[Phil Smith]

those that poo, poo it, that's ok too... LOL

 

You're pooing on my pooing.

[Phil Smith]

Brushless motors are coming because slot cars in 1/24 scale are a "tinker with it" hobby, not a toy.

 

Whether they're good or bad for whatever is irrelevant, just as neither sealed or cobalt motors can be defined as either good or bad.

 

More stuff to mess with for those who want to.

 

The miniscule size of the market hasn't stopped anyone from coming up with insanely fast and expensive motors, controllers and chassis.

 

If this somehow leads to more speed for less money it will happen and will be a benefit.

 

That's reasonable. Might be a while for brushless though. It's evolving very slow. This is 8 years old.

 

 

[bbr]

I only been playing with brushless for a few months. But have learned a lot thru Tom.
The experimenting has been fun. The main issue was the 5 volt start up. Not really a problem for drag racing or wing cars. So I have been running a brushless wing car to sort out these motors. The 5 volt is bc that's what is required to run the chips, but there are chips that run on lower voltages. Now someone has layout all the tech to a esc that starts at 2 volts.
Now road racing flat track is possible.
The motors are designed for drones, but a different winding and magnet package can be design to suit slot car needs.
This is exciting to me, to be playing with it on the cusps of its viability.

[bbr]

You're pooing on my pooing.

Remind me to flush b4 I use your toilet, LOL

[dickytenkids]

as im the one thats got this thing working properly (with help from a few other very clever people ) the whole idea was to get cars that have the speed and handling of eurosport cars ,but with motor costs of fk type can motors and consistant performance over 1000s of laps .

As the majority of US racing is not the  Eurosport classes that we run in europe it may not be of any interest to most americans ,

However in a very short time and using motors developed for drones ,i have nearly the performace of a top eurosport car.

my best lap time at my local track using  my latest 1/24  horky chassis,19/25 20 mag motor is 3.86 seconds .Best time with my brushless car using one of my mule chassis is 3.94 seconds ,so not far away considering the little development we have put in .Yes it is different to drive ,but all controller functions are the same and anyone that has tried it have adapted to it in a few laps ,

[Phil Smith]

That's impressive for sure. Is this the car?

 

[Bags]

Here’s another one rtr

 

 

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[HarV Wallbanger III]

Cool little motors! I can't wait to get one ..... Slot racing will .... till it dies always be a new tech sport.... Look at the history of motor, chassis and body designs from the 60's till now.

Cheaters will always be cheaters... But it has not stopped new motors being developed over the years. Just a matter of time .....

[MSwiss]

Barney,
I'm impressed they are so far able to run with just the motor bolted in and not triangulated.

Probably it helps it's a straight sidewinder.