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Posted 08 December 2022 - 03:37 PM

Haha a fun race.

Id like to know what the penalty will be for racers that alter the car between rounds.
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Posted 08 December 2022 - 04:05 PM

you are right, you cannot straighten the braids between heats, only oil, braid juice and lane sticker. Any repairs you need to do to the car have to be done with the green light.

 

I'm happy to play by y'all's rules .... personally ... I would much rather allow someone to straighten their braid during a lane change than to have their car repeatedly de-slot because their braids are "doing the John Travolta."

 

 

 

And a follow-up question ............ Does the "all work under green" rule mean that there are no "Minute Thirty" calls for this race?  (And I'm totally fine with that if that's the case.)  Just asking ahead of time because I need 1:30 just to put body pins back in.  ;)


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Posted 08 December 2022 - 04:08 PM

Haha a fun race.

Id like to know what the penalty will be for racers that alter the car between rounds.

 

 

You have to race the next heat blindfolded.

 

 

And .... what is the penalty for cars that don't have the proper clearance at the end of the race?


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Posted 08 December 2022 - 10:42 PM

It's an enduro -- you make adjustments and repairs under green.  This includes braids and bodies.
 
During a lane change, you look at your cars braids and if you want them flatter or more fluffed, then you take care of it as soon as the heat starts.  Same goes for the body if it has any issues.
 
And I think it goes without saying that when a heat ends, work has to stop on any car that is in the pits.
 
If a team violates any of these rules, IMO the penalty could be something like 8 laps deducted (equivalent of about 30 seconds of run time).
 
In regard to clearance, it won't be checked when the race is over.  Marcus will check it probably 2 or 3 times during the race, the last time probably being with at least with one full heat remaining.

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Posted 09 December 2022 - 01:04 PM

I am really looking forward to this race.  I think it's going to be a LOT of fun.  

 

At the risk of being even more of a PITA than I usually am ..... let's talk some of this.

 

So ... "asking for a friend" for clarification purposes .... If Teams have to "make adjustments and repairs under green.  This includes braids and bodies."  .......   Then I presume that means Turn Marshals are not allowed to adjust the braid on a car during a "TRACK" call.  Nor will turn marshals be allowed to "fix" a crumpled body during a "TRACK" call.  Meaning that Turn Marshals have to either simply put the car back in the slot or hand it to the Team.  Period.  Nothing else.  No matter how loud a driver screams, "just roll it backwards." No matter whether it's the car from your team or a competitor's team.

 

OR .... are Turn Marshals allowed to make adjustments like straightening the braid and popping out a body as long as the power is still on but just not allowed to do either if the power is off?

 

Having said all of that ....  I think applying a little common sense to what's allowed and what's not allowed can help make the day fun for all 

 

I'd say ... let us straighten (not replace) the braid and let us "pop out" (not re-pin or tape) a crumpled body during a lane change. Same for turn marshals when there's a "TRACK" call.

 

And ... I think there should be a post-race tech of the Top 3 cars to verify that they're the same cars as what started the race and that they're still legal.  

 

 

In the long run ... it doesn't really matter as long as the rules are applied the same way to every driver/team.


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Posted 09 December 2022 - 04:07 PM

I second Rollin's comment.

I reading it's a fun race but it isn't sounding fun if something happens to your car. I get if you break a part, you fix it during the green, but the basic braid issue approach is wack.


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Posted 09 December 2022 - 06:08 PM

With my recent experience at my four-hour enduro race, it seemed to work well to allow straightening the braid, pushing pins, and popping the body out during a lane change and also for the turn marshals (at their discretion) to do the same during the race. Essentially this means no work that either adds parts/tape/oil or involves using tools of any kind.  

 

As Brandon said this is suppose to be a "fun" race (as was mine) and the rules as I've mentioned here seemed to have worked well to that end and seemed "reasonable" and easy to enforce.


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Posted 09 December 2022 - 08:13 PM

That's great feedback!

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Posted 11 December 2022 - 07:13 PM

Wow, the racing was close today.

A great event hosted by P1. It was a fun race after all. It was awesome racing with the GRRR racers that made the event, racing against Dennis, Ray Lee, and Terry was Awesome, as well as the FSCS regulars that drove across the state to race.

Tem, Daniel and Marcus were ready to smash, great job.

Good times.


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Posted 11 December 2022 - 08:26 PM

Here are the results of the Enduro...

 

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Posted 12 December 2022 - 10:10 AM

Jay,

Thanks for posting.

How did the motors work out?


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Posted 12 December 2022 - 11:00 AM

They killed it. Not a single failure. Very evenly matched.
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Posted 12 December 2022 - 11:54 AM

How did the motors work out?

 

They killed it. Not a single failure. Very evenly matched.

 

I'll second what Brandon said!  The motors were awesome.  

 

The team I was dragging down finished last but it certainly wasn't the motor's fault because our motor was fast. We went to make laps on the tricky Hillclimb... and we did.  

 

I'm hopeful that the series will allow one extra tooth on the pinion for this motor for the 2023 season.

 

One thing about turning fewer laps... our tires still passed tech at the end of the race.   ;)


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Posted 12 December 2022 - 07:38 PM

==========  THE ENDURO PICTURES AND RACE REPORT  ==========

 

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-- The Podium --

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-- Terry, Dennis, Ray --   -- Marcus, Tem, Daniel --   -- Brandon, Josh, Kyle --

 

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Posted 12 December 2022 - 09:07 PM

Dennis with 974 laps leading the pack. Great Job Man.
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Posted 12 December 2022 - 10:32 PM

Total laps for each driver.
- Team DTM
Daniel 938
Tem 957
Marcus 958
- Team Melbourne
Terry 949
Ray 903
Dennis 974
- Team Hot Slot
Kyle 897
Josh 945
Brandon 973
- Team Jay Jeff Dale
Dale 915
Jay 900
Jeff 957
- Tem EJR
Eddie 901
Jeremy 863
Ralph 918
- Team SMAR
Grant 929
Mike 887
Donny 852
- Team Flinstone Flyers
JT 828
Nathan 840
Rollin 780
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Posted 13 December 2022 - 08:43 AM

The lap totals for each driver are interesting, to a degree, but not reliable as an indicator of driver ability compared to his team mates.
 
One example of this is Jeremy's lower overall total of 863 laps compared to his team mate's lap totals of 901 and 918.  
 
Jeremy's ability to rack up laps is equal to his team mate's because, in two of the heats that he drove, his lap totals were right there with the podium teams.
 
But in two of the other heats he drove, his lap totals were 83 and 85, indicating that the car was not on the track for at least a couple of minutes during each of those heats.
 


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Posted 13 December 2022 - 10:08 AM

I was surprised how low Jeremy's lap count was as well, haha.

Good Call Out Dale


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