Vintage cars I took a chance on, now being restored
#1
Posted 18 March 2024 - 05:11 PM
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#2
Posted 18 March 2024 - 06:04 PM
That Ferrari F1 appears to be well-built. Did it come with or without the motor? I'll have to save some of your photos above to my PC.
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#3
Posted 18 March 2024 - 07:07 PM
#4
Posted 18 March 2024 - 08:09 PM
Yes Bill, it did not have a motor. I have a nice silver can Mura motor in mind.
Mark, I did notice that too, towards the end of his stash, he was just putting bodies with chassis randomly. He is not a slot car guy for sure, but I am glad he rescued them. The first cars he was selling were more complete.
This one sold for $23.59 plus tax and shipping I bought it's mate too for $26. A similar car with an early Pittmam motor and a mag frame. Both cars have SURTEES and number 5 on the car.
I am working on both cars at the same time as they have similar needs.
Here is the chassis cleaned up and its replacement parts fabed ready to solder.
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#5
Posted 19 March 2024 - 09:13 AM
It's heartbreaking to think of how many slot cars ended up in the trash. Especially the scratch built ones. I have some I got from a relative, with some parts, all in a metal fishing tackle box. All from the late sixties/early seventies. I restored two of the cars, and there are parts to maybe three more. But I have to figure out what goes to what. I try to restore them to "as raced" condition rather than making jewelry out of them. What I didn't get were any of the cars we ran together in the 1963/64/65 timeline when I used to spend time in the LA area with relatives out there. He chauffered me around to at least 25 tracks in SoCal. Maybe closer to 50. By the summer of 1966, we were following real cars, and only visited a few slot tracks. By then it was almost impossible to get track time unless you wanted to wait hours to get on. Instead, we hung out at hamburger stands and a famous donut shop called "The Big Donut" where all the "names" in drag racing and show customs would gather on Saturday mornings. Sundays were spent at Lion's Drag Strip, or Orange County International when it opened up. Weekdays I went surfing with another cousin. ( I didn't surf much. Mostly just hung on. )
#6
Posted 19 March 2024 - 10:11 AM
What a great time to experience the SoCal scene. You are a lucky man Dave. Thanks for sharing, you were living the dream I wanted but it was out of reach for me. But I got to taste it through Hot Rod and other slot magazines then of course slot car raceways.
Cleaned up this chassis, it was pretty rusty but I did the best I could then soldered all the broken and missing parts back in place to bring it back to its former glory. You are so right this could have gone to land fill if not for an e-bay seller picking a box of slot junk, by most peoples view.
Also a close up of before clean up and after repair of the rear suspension detail. Pleased with that result.
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#7
Posted 19 March 2024 - 10:59 AM
#8
Posted 19 March 2024 - 04:46 PM
Now that the chassis is cleaned and repaired I can move onto the body details.
The intakes start with aluminum tubing cut to the same length (stop set) on the mini chop saw. Then they get deburred on both ends.
Then I make a Styrene base with holes the same size (or a .001" under) as the tubing, so the straight cut tubes press in place and stay there.
On to the drill press with the adjustable down stop (to use as a light press). With a transfer punch in the stationary drill chuck I set the down stop to give the correct amount of flare.
Once the base is painted black I think they look pretty good. Seen below, glued in the body.
I also made a small tool to shape a rectangular grill that fills the rectangular hole behind the drivers missing head, I will get to that John Surtees head next.
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#9
Posted 19 March 2024 - 08:17 PM
Lovely stuff Martin - thanks for sharing this car, your restoration process also.
That chassis is beautiful.
Always cool to see more MESAC stuff; there's been a lot recently, no ?
Now all we need is for someone to crack open some long forgotten storage space, flip the lights and reveal the track as it was in 1968... Yeah I know, but still, just think about how cool that would be.
S.
#10
Posted 20 March 2024 - 12:54 AM
Thanks Simon, Victor has done the next best thing to finding the original track.
Here is a link to his FB page dedicated to the club, he has done a fantastic job even recreating the famous start finish line. https://www.facebook...015796222316064
#11
Posted 20 March 2024 - 08:09 AM
Excellent job on that frame. You took it to just the point I would have. Not much you can do about the deep pitting in the rails, other than replace them. But they are original only once. You did the right thing.
Restoring these old cars to just the way they were raced gives you a chance to experience that time for yourself. It was the heyday of slot racing.
#12
Posted 20 March 2024 - 10:05 AM
Thanks' Simon and Dave, Doing my best to save and repair the drivers too. These both say SURTEES on the sides of the cars and this one had his head missing so I get to paint a fresh Russkit head as if giving to Don by Jim Russel.
The styrene was very fragile cracked and at times I felt like repairing butterfly wings, but they are cleaned up and solid now.
I repaired the neck and glued in a styrene tube so now the John Surtees head has a full range of motion and could be replace or removed at any time. The the other Surtees Ferrari has its head glued in solid so he gets a clean up, repaired and touched up where necessary.
I love that Don cut the vac-formed steering wheel out and replaced it with a plastic one. Nice trick I will have to try that some time.
Notice one of the drivers in the Surtees cars has a Kiwi on the side and a similar helmet design to Chris Amon, yes I know the colors are reversed, But it is how Don Sloan painted it, so it remains original.
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#13
Posted 20 March 2024 - 12:49 PM
I like seeing the numbers & red zones on the tachs! I wonder if any history exists for Don Sloan. He was quite a good builder of slot cars. He probably excelled in other areas of his life too.
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#14
Posted 20 March 2024 - 01:40 PM
I must confess the dash was in really bad shape and falling apart. So I took some license and rebuilt the dash with my own dials.
While I was in the mode I painted a few extra for future projects. I may have gone a little overboard here ? But once on a roll and paint tin is open and the brush is wet, go for it I say.
They are punched in aluminum sheet before painting.
BTW the Ferrari prancing cat? on the steering wheel is as found and no needs other than gentle cleaning.
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#15
Posted 20 March 2024 - 07:36 PM
Incredible how well you cleaned all that rust off
Paul Wolcott
#17
Posted 21 March 2024 - 11:39 AM
Nice old Mura and those wheels look great - did you turn down cox rims to use as inserts ? Good use of those if so as they're a bit wee looking on their own imo.
S.
#18
Posted 21 March 2024 - 12:03 PM
Thanks Simon, yes and no, Yes there are taken from the Cox Ferrari mag rims. But rather than turning down the mag wheels I made a couple of impression molds and made inserts for the Russkit rims. Plus I needed 8 of them for both cars, and I can always make more too. These are not production molds but they get the job done.
Always loved the pale blue against the red.
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#19
Posted 21 March 2024 - 05:21 PM
That old car got lucky when you adopted it
Paul Wolcott
#20
Posted 21 March 2024 - 07:36 PM
....and I was able to keep the family together too. Yes they are a bit like orphans, forgotten and lost to time.
A couple of pics of the finished pair. They do share certain genetic traits but are totally different in chassis and motor design.
But have the exact same body, decals, mirrors, roll bar, wheels and driver base.
I realize anybody following the restoration has not seen the one with the Pittman motor until now, but I love that I could save them both at the same time. Many of the operations were the same as each other.
They may have been built for different class's, or at different times many years apart, we may never know.?
Please let me know if you have any questions or requests
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#21
Posted 21 March 2024 - 10:25 PM
Beautiful cars Martin. They almost look like newly built cars. Maybe it's my imagination but does the car with the Mura motor have a longer wheelbase? If so, perhaps these two cars were built to run on different layouts of the MESAC track.
I intend to live forever! So far, so good.
#22
Posted 22 March 2024 - 12:59 AM
Excellent restoration Martin!
Do you plan to visit Fundemonium in Rohnert Park to test them out on their slot car track?
Ernie
#23
Posted 22 March 2024 - 09:31 AM
Incredible saves! Very impressive. The one with the Pittman could be 1964 vintage. I built these two over the winter of 1963/1964. They seem to be similar construction to yours, with some differences I would guess because of different parts of the country.
This car has a weird KTM train motor. Built, I think, in the fall of 1963.
My first sidewinder. Kemtron motor. Probably early 1964. There were several chassis built between these two, trying different things to get a leg up on the other racers. Brass tubing instead of piano wire this time, but still longitudinal main rails.
This is also early 1964, but totally different construction, all brass sheet. More like the aluminum or mag one you did. I went back to solid guide tongues here. Also back to thick wall brass tubing, threaded inside for 2-56 Phillister head machine screws, for body mounts. Didn't like the flimsy brass strip stock everyone else was using.
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#24
Posted 22 March 2024 - 12:19 PM
Thanks to all for all the comments and engouements. I is very rewarding to know there are folks out there that get our hobby.
Bill.
Its not your imagination, the mag frame car is 3- 7/8" wheelbase and the Mura car a tick under 4".
I like the theory on short track vs. long but my own thought are more about the dates they where built? The Mura car has a plumber hinge behind the front axle. Pretty sure that would date it to 68 ish ?
The mag car is early tech and I date that around 65 which is when the MESAC club was founded. Just my guess of course. Love to hear what other folks think as I did not start in slots until 67 so I have no first hand so all these early cars predate my teenage eyes.
Ernie,
Funny you should mention Fundemonium. I was there just yesterday buying supplies. I really should take more advantage of a nice track that is so close.
I need to set up a small test track here at home ( I have plenty of Marx track) so I can work out the basic stuff, I hate working at the track. Do you go there to race or test?
Dave,
one of the most exciting aspects about our hobby for me is the evolution of the car tech. I love your early cars, did you run these cars on commercial tracks or ?
#25
Posted 22 March 2024 - 03:01 PM
Certainly part of collecting is having cars that show the evolution of the cars. My collection is somewhat eclectic, in that I mostly have the cars I raced during the different periods I was involved in slot racing. Which means there are gaps in the continuity of the evolution. If you consider the "toy" tracks, that starts with an Eldon figure 8 in 1959. My friends and I made use of that for maybe two years. Then a departure to do model railroading. A trip to visit relatives in the LA area re-introduced me to slot racing. The west coast scene of 1962 got me enthused again. Back here in the Chicago area, there were a few basement tracks built by clubs or individuals I became acquainted with. A track opened in Northlake in the back of a bicycle store called Speck's during the summer of 1963. I raced there for two years. I couldn't afford to buy kits or ready-to-runs, so I started building cars using some articles in Model Car Science magazine for inspiration. In the spring of 1964, a track opened near where I lived. I began racing, or in reality, testing cars on that track as well as continuing running at Speck's. The race entry at Elmhurst was a buck, a bit too rich for me at the time. (my allowance was $1.00/week, but I could earn another dollar by collecting soda and beer bottles that were discarded along the "roarin' Elgin railroad line and turning them in at the IGA for the deposit) The 50 cent entry at Speck's was more within my budget. A hardware store that belonged to old family friends had brass and aluminum strip stock, as well as piano wire, in 3 foot lengths. They would let me have a piece now and again as long as I didn't make a nuisance of myself about it. (I would later go to work at this store) A radio store in downtown Elmhurst had electronics experiment kits, and had a good supply of cheap low voltage electric motors. So it ended up that the most expensive parts were the wheels/tires, gears and guides. I could build a car for around 3 to 5 bucks. Naturally, it wasn't that long when I found I needed better motors, and I ran out of model kits that I could steal the bodies from. And usually, the expensive parts got robbed from some chassis to be used on new ones I was building. For every chassis that turned out good, I probably built five that were horrendous. Finally, the folks increased my allowance to 2 bucks, and I was beginning to make good money mowing lawns in the neighborhood. And I could afford better stuff. I continued to slot race until the summer of 1966, when I graduated to real cars, go-karts and mini-bikes. I didn't have a car yet, but I started hanging with the older kids that did. I helped them work on their cars until I had one of my own.
I believe the slot track in Elmhurst closed in 1968. There were some of the guys I raced with looking for something to do. HO cars were becoming popular, so I built a routed track that fit on top of the ping-pong table in the basement. We found that not up to our expectations, so I added nickle silver plated copper tape so we could run 1/32nd scale cars. I had made all the turns extra wide when I laid out the HO course, so it made a pretty good 1/32nd track. We used that until one of the group brought home a commercial track that had been stuffed in a dumpster. We repaired the damage and shortened it up some to fit in his basement, and I raced with them through the summer of 1969. That was it until Jerry Kulich opened a track in Lombard. I was racing (real) sports cars, and need a diversion during the winter months, so I, with some racer friends, decided to try slot racing again. They lost interest, but I stuck with it until he moved to Hangover Park. I raced for a while with a 1/32nd plastic track group for a couple years, then started going to Dave Fiedler's Hot Slots. Raced there until he closed, and started going to Mike Swiss' in LaGrange. And I have been with that group ever since.
To the best of my memory, this is what the Elmhurst track looked like;