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[Mark Onofri]

Although it doesn't apply to G-7, it's almost the same argument that was voiced when the disposable (Playfit, falcon,etc) motors arrived. Look at the performance of a CR102!
Granted, it's taken 20+ Year to get to the level of performance they are currently enjoying.
I seriously doubt that I'll be here to find out (in 20+years) . In the Can-Am, the few rules that were in place were, sufficient. Until someone got it right. Notably,McLaren, Porsche and,Don Nicholson(UOP).
From the limited experience I've had with G-7,as a spectator, the impression that I got was/is
1) speed at any cost
2) 🤔 you mean, I have to start all over again?
3) Ok, I'll do it
4) Are you out of your f"**-in mind(s)! I want them baned Immediately!
When it comes to exclusive membership , the mob rules. It will come down to the 20? People in that exclusive group to decide. NO one else!

[Dave_12]

Probably never. I haven't seen a brushless turd run anywhere near what the current open cars run. And I have a feeling they never will

There was a brushless in our last Nats  the ESC failed mid race before that happened car was competitive 

[bbr]

http://slotblog.net/...ting-on-a-king/

 

http://slotblog.net/...less-wing-ding/

 

 

my times back then was 1.8s in a 27L chassis,,,

BL motors now r turning 150k+

I was just playing back then,,, I'm not a wing car racer,,, but I'm sure a racer w wingcar knowhow can go fast enough in G7 w today's BL hardware

It's just you 20 guys like what you have now, which is fine

Your sandbox, do as you see fit

[Dave Crevie]

Following this thread, it is beginning to sound like a pissing contest between the G7 and brushless supporters. Realistically, you can't compare lap times taken by a single car on the track with those times posted in a race. Rather, compare lap times from qualifying for a real A-main of a pure G7 event with those from a brushless one. That will give more believable numbers. 

 

By the way, it's Don Nichols, not Nicholson. 

[Archie King]

There was a brushless in our last Nats  the ESC failed mid race before that happened car was competitive 

Lets see the results of that race.

[jimht]

This discussion reminds me of the complacency of the major automobile manufacturers before Elon Musk came along.

 

Until someone proved to them money could be made from EVs, they weren't interested.

 

Cost and reliability are definitely factors in the decline of wing car racing, but whether cheap more reliable fast motors will help commercial raceways in the USA the same way as in the club supported ISRA remains to be seen.

 

The only way commercial raceways can be more successful and make more money is with more customers.

 

I enjoy tinkering with the brushless stuff, but I don't expect it to generate an influx of new customers. There's only the hope that it will keep the boat afloat a while longer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bbr]

love is a strange thing after all...

 

understandable in trying to preserve the things we love

[Mark Onofri]

Thanks Dave, I can't control the AI on my phone or,a G-7 car for that matter, wether bl ok conventional.
If a bl is faster,than that's that. It is a open, unlimited class.
Let's race

[Archie King]

This discussion reminds me of the complacency of the major automobile manufacturers before Elon Musk came along.

 

Until someone proved to them money could be made from EVs, they weren't interested.

 

Cost and reliability are definitely factors in the decline of wing car racing, but whether cheap more reliable fast motors will help commercial raceways in the USA the same way as in the club supported ISRA remains to be seen.

 

The only way commercial raceways can be more successful and make more money is with more customers.

 

I enjoy tinkering with the brushless stuff, but I don't expect it to generate an influx of new customers. There's only the hope that it will keep the boat afloat a while longer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the American public is pretty clear where they stand on EV. Manufacturers are dumping any new ev tech...for hybrids. I suppose they are sick of losing money,,,,Except for GM. But they are pretty much run by the chinese government.

[zipper]

I did quit G7, too much trouble - too fast so the crashes do destroy my car and hassle with a fistful of motors, wheels whatsit. One motor still run but it might be quitted, too.

[Weedracer]

 
And the American public is pretty clear where they stand on EV. Manufacturers are dumping any new ev tech...for hybrids. I suppose they are sick of losing money,,,,Except for GM. But they are pretty much run by the chinese government.

With all due respect Archie, part of the American public shares your opinion of the EV idea. Many are on board despite the shortfalls.

Excluding Tesla, I think the technology is a bit green, especially regarding the reliability and availability of chargers nationwide. Ive heard nightmare stories from people trying to cover any real distance as well as temperature related troubles.

It was rushed to market well before it was done cooking but is still likely to be the future of personal transportation. Probably not in our lifetime though.

Ive heard that the earliest cars (if not the first) were electric and todays fastest cars are electric.

Drive one and youll flip over the instantaneous, head snapping power delivery. Theres nothing like it.

[jimht]

 

And the American public is pretty clear where they stand on EV. Manufacturers are dumping any new ev tech...for hybrids. I suppose they are sick of losing money,,,,Except for GM. But they are pretty much run by the chinese government.

Well, that's just opinion, not fact.

 

Regardless, just as we still have horses, we will continue to have ICE cars but the simple fact is that Elon showed everyone there was money to be made.

 

The ICE manufacturers are seeing that they can keep more of the profits when they don't have to support a huge parts/repair chain and can still charge just as much if not more for the BEV.

 

And, if it means we never buy another drop of oil from OPEC and our "friends" the Saudis, I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

Also, just so we don't see too much thread drift, just consider brushless stuff to be an alternative to cobalt straps, not a replacement...if it winds up being cheaper to go fast, you can still spend your money on what you like, you'll just be racing against people who have less "invested".

[Archie King]

With all due respect Archie, part of the American public shares your opinion of the EV idea. Many are on board despite the shortfalls.

Excluding Tesla, I think the technology is a bit green, especially regarding the reliability and availability of chargers nationwide. Ive heard nightmare stories from people trying to cover any real distance as well as temperature related troubles.

It was rushed to market well before it was done cooking but is still likely to be the future of personal transportation. Probably not in our lifetime though.

Ive heard that the earliest cars (if not the first) were electric and todays fastest cars are electric.

Drive one and youll flip over the instantaneous, head snapping power delivery. Theres nothing like it.

You are talking to the wrong guy if you think any ev is going to impress me. Drove two different ones. And as a guy who builds and tunes real racecars for a living, the EV is an absolute joke in the performance industry. 

[Archie King]

Well, that's just opinion, not fact.

 

Regardless, just as we still have horses, we will continue to have ICE cars but the simple fact is that Elon showed everyone there was money to be made.

 

The ICE manufacturers are seeing that they can keep more of the profits when they don't have to support a huge parts/repair chain and can still charge just as much if not more for the BEV.

 

And, if it means we never buy another drop of oil from OPEC and our "friends" the Saudis, I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

Also, just so we don't see too much thread drift, just consider brushless stuff to be an alternative to cobalt straps, not a replacement...if it winds up being cheaper to go fast, you can still spend your money on what you like, you'll just be racing against people who have less "invested".

Not an opinion. Ford, Toyota, Honda, Bmw and Audi have all told the epa they will no longer invest in future ev tech. 

[jimht]

Not an opinion. Ford, Toyota, Honda, Bmw and Audi have all told the epa they will no longer invest in future ev tech. 

Riiiight...   no sense doing this then:

 

https://media.ford.c...hargescape.html

[Archie King]

Riiiight...   no sense doing this then:

 

https://media.ford.c...hargescape.html

Nothing about new cars,,,just grid improvment thats been news now for two years,,,, stick to scale slot cars Jim

[MSwiss]

Take contentious 1/1 EV talk to PM's or FB.

 

Thank you.