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#51 dc-65x

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 03:18 PM

..............finally a how-to-do-it for drop front axles...

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Hi Brian,

I've only done a couple of drop axle cars so I kind of made things up as I went along. Everything worked out great and it was really easy to do......here goes:

Spend some time bending the drop axle. Use a protractor and make sure the angles are both the same. Use a flat surface like a tech block to get the axle flat and both ends parallel with the bottom, etc:

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I left the axle extra long so I could locate it with the precision pins in the jig. To set up the track clearance I just removed the tires and let the wheels rest on the jig:

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Next with the axle in place the jig helped me line up the outriggers:

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Before installing the front wheels I had to modify them. I ruined the 1/16" hole in the wheel with my lemon juice fiasco so I reamed them out to 3/32 and I used some Slick 7 axle retaining hardware. I modified the 3/32 stub axle on the left by drilling the 1/16 axle hole all the way through and shortening it so just a bit sticks out the back of the wheel when it's installed:

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Again, you can't have too many holes in a chassis jig ;) :D . This is how I set up the front track width. I marked the axles with a felt tip pin and cut off the excess axle:

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This worked really slick. Slide on the inside wheel retainer then the wheel protected with tape. Solder the stub axle flush with the axle. This will look like an old school washer soldered to the axle when the wheel is flush against it:

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Then slide the inside retainer up tight against the stub axle and solder:

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Since we left the stub axle a little long the slop needed for the wheel to rotate freely is set automatically.........weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........done :) .

To finish the chassis off more pin locations helped line up the rear body mount and front axle brace by leaving them long:

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Finally the front body mount was lined up with jig pins and mounted to the front axle brace:

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Time to trim off all the long pieces and spiff this thingie up a bit.....................

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 07:13 PM

OK, let’s get this thing finished and put this post out if it's misery. Finished chassis top and bottom:

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Some close-ups:

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I like the way the wire wrap bullet proofing looks:

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This is an original Dave Lenz motor, disassembled, cleaned up and with a new Mabuchi end bell ready to install:

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The armature is a double 32 that reads .2 ohms. I cut the comm and wrapped and epoxied the comm wires. The oil slinger fiber washer is also epoxied to the end of the comm:

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I removed what little was left of the felt in the gimble bearing and epoxied the bearing to the housing:

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The end bell got drilled and tapped for 2-56 machine screws and the brush hoods were soldered to the hex brush holders:

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I reused the original brush springs and added "invisible" spring insulation. The shunted brushes are Mura. They probably don't belong in an early '68 motor but I'd like to run the pee out of this car. Maybe they will help the motor live:

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I haven't seen color coded Versatec magnets before so I thought I share a picture:

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The finished motor:

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Finally the finished roller waiting for Jairus Watson body.

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Hey Jairus, can I get in line for one of your works of art please :)

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 08:02 PM

Stunning Rick, absolutely Stunning!! :blink:

I like that gimble bearing trick, I have a bunch of cans with problems in this area...

Misery is not a word I would ever of used here BTW

thanks for sharing
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 08:30 PM

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 08:42 PM

Looks fast just sitting there! Wish we lived in the same town... we could go racing. :)
As for the body, send it! I am ready.

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 09:38 PM

Just too cool!
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 09:39 PM

WOW :shok: RICK!!

That sure is some pure American beauty! Red, White and Blue!! :wub:

(hint JHW) ;)

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 09:46 PM

Thanks, I'm really happy with the way it turned out. I hope it runs well too. I can't wait to have a track day with it. On that note I've mounted the body so it's ready to ship to Jairus so he can work his magic.


Looks fast just sitting there! Wish we lived in the same town... we could go racing. :)


Me too Jairus and it just might happen. The Pacific Northwest is were my wife and I would like to retire. We lived for 10 years in Humbolt County California just below the Oregon border and loved the redwood rain forest.

Anyway, I'll box up my Thingie and get it mailed to you Monday at the latest :) .

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 09:52 PM

I'll box up my Thingie and get it mailed to you Monday at the latest :) .
Thanks!


Check back with this thread by 1-5-09 for the Jairus painted body! :laugh2:

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 10:21 PM

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:58 AM

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 07:08 AM

Thanks dc-65X

Wow..Did I learn a lot from this build :good: aspecial like how you solder on the front wheels on..and how you wire rapped the rear motor mount bracket...nice a clean !! :wub: Now if only one can find the front guide bracket some where ??

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 03:38 PM

I've got your UGO brackets ready to go. PM me your mailing address and I'll ZOOM them off to you when I send Jairus the body Monday:

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I can't wait to see a "UGO-Noda" :)

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 12:41 AM

HI Rick,
Thanks :dance4: I PMed you my address.

The chassis turned out awesome :clapping: I especially liked the wire rapped rear motor mount area. Done a few of those myself and keep trying to prefect the technique. ;) Been working on recreating those body styles and others too. Will post them when there are done. I wonder what other Choti designs are out there waiting to be discovered :D
Thanks again.

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 01:07 PM

Thanks Ray,

Your package will go out this morning.

I ran this Thingie on Eddie's Blue King and the motor jets. I didn't have the Choti body back in time from Jairus so I stuck an old Lola T160 on it :shok: :blink: :laugh2: . Needless to say I took it real easy in the turns until I get the "Negative Lift" Choti on it. It looks very promising though :) .

to be continued........

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 05:50 PM

I finished installing this beautiful Choti painted by Jairus Watson. This is his photo of the body before mounting:

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To make mine a little different from most I decided to kick it up a notch. I traced the outline of a Choti body on some paper and had the SHPBAPSCR Museum Master Builder Rodney trace out the wings he saw in 1967 at Oakland Speedway's first location on Telegraph in Oakland:

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WOW :D early wing car :shok: . He remembers the wings were made of thick plastic and didn't fold down like todays air control. He also remembers fellow racers watching as this winged wonder ran faster lap times than the non winged cars:

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Holy winged wonder Batman!

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I can't wait to try this baby out on Eddie's King now :)

Onward to "Negative Lift Land"!

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 06:17 PM

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Downright kewl!
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Posted 10 January 2009 - 11:26 PM

Winged Thingies are just COOL.......

great looking Choti.......I know, I would be curious to here how it runs on the King track :clapping:

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 05:06 AM

...To make mine a little different from most I decided to kick it up a notch. I traced the outline of a Choti body on some paper and had the SHPBAPSCR Museum Master Builder Rodney trace out the wings he saw in 1967 at Oakland Speedway's first location on Telegraph in Oakland:

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Thank you Capt'n, thank your Rodney!
Thank you for sharing your project AND that particular important piece of Thingies history.
When Dave "the Vitter" entered a similar replica in the 2008 Thingie Proxy race (inspired by what he saw when he was a kid racing at the Finish Line Raceway), he caused quite a stir because of the wings he added to his Choti body, which where considered by many an addendum that came much later on.
Here's a pic of his entry:

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As Dave would say: "The proof is in the pudding" :D
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:25 PM

Hi Edo,

Well now :D . Two different people who were there at the time remember the same thing. Independent verification me thinks. These winged cars really happened in the 60's.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 06:16 PM

Thanks dc-65x,

Box arrived today..cool ;)

It is presently being studied by the Imagineers at RDW for a future project..you know contemplating/evaluations/decision before being pressed into service :D I think it will go under one of those "OneWinger " and/or the new " Two-winger " ,( of course integrated wings not stapled on) :D

I had a question on the 2-winged wounder.? Now on Dave's version..he stapled the wings on the bottom. On your version..?? are they glued on ? an interesting evolutionary development in winged technology of that period..kind of cool ;)

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 09:14 PM

Hi Ray,

Glad your goodies arrived safe and sound :) .

Rodney's memory of the winged car he saw is that the wings were thick clear plastic glued on the body. Being lazy, I used double sticky tape :D .

Onward to winged thingie land............

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 09:38 AM

Hi Rick & Rodney,

The two-wingers are great looking cars. The question I have is about the OneWinger and it's place in the History book ? Do ether of you recall seeing one of those body's at a raceway? Dave original described the car to me as one he saw at his local raceway back in the day. From that description I created the Onewinger-Dave's idea. I have never seen any info on this car anywhere. I did see one on e-bay back awhile ago, ( In the ED collection). The individual selling it didn't show the wing from the side, but I could tell it was a winged Choti,( broken though- maybe that's why?). Did John Chotia ever advertise it ?? Do you guys think that the two-winger was a logical set after the Onewinger integrated wing ? More durable and easier to do ? A inquiring mind want to know ??

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 03:18 AM

Wings or side-dams first appeared in South Africa around 1978 (on 1/32nd cars!) when we belatedly copied what was happening in 1/24th in the USA. The difference that it made to a car's handling was significant and lap records around the country began to tumble by vast amounts. Seeing as 'wings' make such a huge difference, I was wondering why they took so long to become the norm if they were indeed first used back in the 1960s?

A South African 1/32nd 'wing car':-

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 03:13 PM

Rodney is going to email me the NorCal story on wings as he and our friend Eric lived it during the period. I will post it here....

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