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[Mark Misegadis]

This stuff is all tough to track as I have said before as Racecars are always under constant change.
Hersh,
Looks like you pulled your text from here. If this is the 712P in the photo *at the 1st link below* and this is accurate?.? (Thats always the question) then this looks like a 712 even if perhaps it was a 612 Tub with a reworked skin.

http://auto.howstuff...-350-can-am.htm


More 712 stuff in Scale:
http://www.bonhams.c...701831-14-1.jpg

And another 612 photo:

[MSwiss]

Read on....................

The Ferrari CanAm car was dubbed the 350. It had some success but never a top contender or a top-three finish. At the close of the 1968 season, the Ferrari 612 P was introduced. It was powered by Ferrari's largest engine to-date, a 6.2-liter unit that produced 620 horsepower. The engine was placed mid-ship, mated to a four-speed gearbox, and powered the rear wheels. The car competed at Las Vegas but it failed to finish the first lap due to a multi-car accident. The 612 P was not damaged, but during the incident sand made its way into the engine and was unable to re-start.

For the 1969 CanAm Season, the NART team returned with their 612 but with a modified engine. Ferrari had increased the engines output to 640 bhp by increasing the displacement to 6.9-liters, resulting in a new designation, the Ferrari 712 P. It would race only one event.

And one more about the 1969 712P Ferrari Can-Am

The Ferrari 612 was returned to Ferrari where the body was modified and engine output increased to 640 horsepower. It returned to America for the ’69 season and finished third in its first race, at Watkins Glen. Later that year, Ferrari shipped over a 6.9-liter V-12, giving the model the designation Ferrari 712 P. It competed in just one race, and was black-flagged for a rules infraction.

So the 1969 612 had a 6.2 liter engine and the 1969 712 had a 6.9 liter engine and the 712 only ran in ONE Can-Am event in 1969. Entered by Formula 1 Enterprises and was blackflagged at the start for being push started.

Read here for a bit more info and you can see where Amon ran the 712P IN 1969 in one race. http://en.wikipedia....9_Can-Am_season

Ron,
Thanks for the info and thanks for the terrific job you did on #414/612.
I can't keep them in stock they are so popular.

[Mark Misegadis]

Mike,
Please hit us with some Ferrari facts big or little that relate to our hobby.
We know you love Ron’s work and the body and you sell a lot of them because the Aero is improved like the early 70's bodies.
Reference the PDL developed body he mentions earlier in the thread.

I thought the Governor spot was no longer up for grabs.
Mark

[MSwiss]

Can anyone illustrate the differences between the Outisight Can-Am Ferrari bodies #o/s-414 & #o/s-410?
Thanks!

Hi Mike,
I have the #414 back in stock if you are still looking for them.

[JimF]

This thread has some great info and also sort of raises a question.

Since the 712 apparently raced once in the 1969 Can Am season, a properly modeled body should be legal for both IRRA and D3. While there is no such body that is labeled as a 712, there is (or recently was) a body that was quite similar and might in fact have been a 712. This was sold by True Scale and listed as a 312 PB and looks for all the world like the 712 pictured in this thread. Of course, this assumes that the '69 712 actually looked like the later ones with the flat rear deck and the three sided spoiler arrangement in the rear.

Its probably an academic question at best and only of note to me because I really liked that True Scale body. I think it works well and that the width was a slightly better fit on a 3.125 chassis than the O/S 414.

IAC; I'm wholly in aggreement about the O/S #414. My take is that it is exceptionally good. I'll be taking several of them down south this month or next to race @ BPR. Interestingly, I see that Dennis Sampson seems to be the only one down there currently using this body so far.

[gascarnut]

Dennis Samson uses the original Waters-Bloom Champion body, not the OS modification.

I'm not sure that the OS version is even legal in SoCal. I did submit an early one to Mike and Paul on Ron's behalf, and as far as I know they were OK with it, but the approved body list has not been updated to reflect this.

[JimF]

Ahhhhh......HAH!!

Apparently a 712 is not necessarily a 712....good enuf.

BTW......I have tried to find current availability on the BW by Champion but they apparently no longer offer it. I wonder if the O/S is acceptable for D3 (????).

[NJ Racer]

Check it out, by Noose

[JimF]

Great work by Noose as always.

I've been running the #414 in Norcal for some time. Until I saw this thread, I was not aware that there was any difference between the O/S and the original. Therefore, when I saw the body that Dennis had been running I made the assumption that it was the same and hence was OK in So-Cal.

So what started as more or less an idle comment on the (3,6,7)12 may in fact serve to point out that the the O/S body that I was planning on using in So. Cal. this month (may) not in fact be legal.

[team burrito]

So what started as more or less an idle comment on the (3,6,7)12 may in fact serve to point out that the the O/S body that I was planning on using in So. Cal. this month (may) not in fact be legal.

So now, you screwed everything up, you big blabber mouth!!!

[JimF]

I'm not sure that the OS version is even legal in SoCal. I did submit an early one to Mike and Paul on Ron's behalf, and as far as I know they were OK with it, but the approved body list has not been updated to reflect this.

I'm not so sure either. I asked for an opinion from Phillipe in Sept when we modified our Nor Cal program and he said it would be good since it was a copy of the Champion. Since then, I have seen pics of the Samson cars in race reports so I thought nothing more about it.

Now however, it appears that the O/S is not 'zactly the same. That being the case, it's understandable that the O/S may not be legal after all. Since I'm planning to bring some freshly sharpened bayonets down to BPR next weekend.........I'm thinkin' I'd maybe best paint up a Lola or three to be on the safe side.

[TSR]

As far as D3 is concerned, if the original Champion body has been altered, it is not legal.

[JimF]

Yep....that's what I've been sorta gathering. I'd heard that Mike had initially approved the O/S version but maybe he's rethought it since then. IAC, it's no big deal. I'll plan on bringing them down but if Mike says no go, it's all good. I have plenty of Lolas and Ti-22's as well.