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[TSR]

Tim,

I will be checking that for you next Sunday when I will have one in my hands. I think that it is 9/31, but I want to be sure.

[TSR]

Ratio is 8-32.
Brass pinion and AMT 32T crown in clear Nylon with brass hub.

[Martin]

Can you tell me if the rear wheels on the Super Bandit, Bandit and the Renegade are all the same size and style ?

[Tim Wilkins]

Seems to me the Renegade requires taller tires.  Possibly the Dyna-grip 1 1/8" by 5/8" tire.

 

 

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[don.siegel]

Yep, definitely bigger on the Renegade, but same type of American mag pattern, judging by the cars I have... Not sure if that's the Dyna-Grip - looks like a regular sponge to me. 

 

And the fronts are the same, rather surprisingly. 

 

From what PdL has said, there were a couple versions of the Bandit, but I think only one of the Renegade... 

 

Don 

[Tim Wilkins]

Looked up the Dynamic parts description catalog.  The Renegade tires are taller.   - Material known as "exotic microcell"  Bandit and Renegade tires were available in black and gray colors and range in sizes from 7/8" x 1/2" to 1/1/8 " x 5/8".

[TSR]

The Renegade is fitted with a sidewinder mounted FT36D motor, nearly 1/4" taller and 1/4" wider than the FT16D motor in the Bandit or Super Bandit.
Hence it HAD to have far larger tires, because... the needed gears and ratio VS motor to axle clearance. Remember that the anglewinder solved that issue.
The Bandit had an inline motor and had no such problem, the motor's shaft was far lower, so the tires are far smaller.

The Renegade rear wheels are unique and apparently never sold separately, only as a set with the front wheels all with their tires. Just as for the Bandit, there were two styles of tires, the first a slip-on black hard sponge, later, glued and ground gray neoprene close-cell foam sponge. The front wheels and tires are the same for the Renegade and the Bandit, but the Super Bandit had smaller diameter front tires over the same wheels. 
 

[Martin]

Thanks Philippe.

Just to be clear . The rear Renegade WHEELS (not tires) are not the same as sold on the Bandits. Is that a true statement? How do the Wheels (not tires) differ?

[slotbaker]

Here is an old post on SlotBlog from 2015 on the Renegade that might be of interest.

[TSR]

 

The rear Renegade WHEELS (not tires) are not the same as sold on the Bandits. Is that a true statement?

 

Martin, yes. The Renegade rear wheels are larger in their diameter than the Bandit's. But their width is the same.



Here you can see the two versions of the car, the first inside the box with the black slip-on sponge tires, the other two with the glued and ground neoprene foam tires. Check the difference in size between the front wheels (which are the same as on the Bandit) and the larger rear wheels.

 

[Martin]

 Thanks Philippe.

I bet those are hard to find?

[don.siegel]

P - are you sure the Bandit's rear wheels are just as wide as the Renegade's? Most of the one's I've seen seem narrower... but maybe there's a difference with the Super Bandit. 

 

Also, I've seen a fair number of Renegades with the black sponge tires, but don't think I've ever run across one with the gray foam tires... 

 

Don 

[MattD]

 

This is from the 68 AW catalog and I think these are the correct wheels for the Renegade, but the rears would be too small and might need new, larger tires.  It does look like the correct wheels may be floating around as "parts".

[Martin]

Good find Matt, they sure look like the wheels to me. Gives me hope I can find these wheels to finish my Renegade. Lots of stuff to trade if anybody has a pair?

Like you say they would need taller tires, but that's the easy part.

[TSR]

Are you sure the Bandit's rear wheels are just as wide as the Renegade's? Most of the one's I've seen seem narrower... but maybe there's a difference with the Super Bandit. 
 
Also, I've seen a fair number of Renegades with the black sponge tires, but don't think I've ever run across one with the gray foam tires...

 
Most period sidewinder cars had to have narrow wheels to make room for their big Mabuchi motor and the drive spur gear. So while it appears that the Renegade rear wheels are wider than those of the Bandit, both are only 9/16" wide.

Don, actually we only have one car (the one shown in the picture) with the black tires, and about a half dozen, boxed or loose, with the gray sponge tires.
 
The same applies to the Bandit and Super Bandit by the way, all began their active live with the black tires, but all the later models had the gray foam tires.




 



 

[Martin]

Actually it is a bit more complicated. In effect, you have a short brass spacer projecting from the deep inside of the wheel, then the small 3/16" brass nut, then another spacer to the Dynaflex aluminum bearing. The nut locks the brass spacer against the wheel, also locked by the specific 3-prong knock-off, while the inner spacer close to the chassis is free.
On the front, no need for this so the nut is directly locking the wheel while the long spacer is free. This is true of all Bandits, Super Bandits and several other Dynamic cars.

 Philippe I read what you are saying, but not seeing that in the pics. Wouldn't we see the nut in this pic?

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[Martin]

You can see the nut in this pic.

Anyone have the brass spacer lengths for the rear wheels?

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[Martin]

Not getting much help on this one.

So this is my best guess.

On the rear of the Super Bandit there would be the knock off then wheel then a 1/4" spacer then a thin nut then a 3/8" spacer.

On the front I came up with a the knock-off then the wheel then a thin nut with a 5/8" spacer.

If no nut is used on the front you could use a 3/4" spacer? hard to tell from the pics.

It would be good to get conformation on this.

Hoping someone out there has a Super Bandit they can check. 

[Pablo]

I don't know. But I can always custom make and polish any spacer any length you need +/- 2 thou tolerance. For you, no charge.

[Martin]

Well that's pretty cool Paul.

I am contact with the good doctor and will post a pic for all to see the correct set up.

My numbers are a bit off. Stand by for the corrections.

 

Paul, I have my mini chop saw and once set up it is a cut, de-bur and done. But thank you for the offer.

[Rotorranch]

Would the spacers be the same as a regular Bandit?

 

If so, mine will be home on Wed.

 

Rotor

[Martin]

I have ask that very same question. I assume so. But waiting for confirmation from Mr P. The front will have longer spacers as the standard Bandit chassis is narrower.

 

The major change to my guess is this.....

 

 

"Martin, in front, the nut is against the wheel. These are very thin nuts, brass, like 1/16" wide. Spacer is 11/16" long.
Rear, the spacer is split: 3/16" inside wheel, then nut, then 3/8" to chassis bearing."

Philippe de Lespinay

 

Martin Windmill

[HarV Wallbanger III]

Just picked up one of these ... body is pretty bad and someone put a Pactra Hemi in it. I also got a new clear body with the body mount and 2 screws in it.

Were these Lexan or Butal?

[HarV Wallbanger III]

I thought they came with 26D in the Super Bandit.... I guess not.

[don.siegel]

Butyrate, and the Super Bandit mostly came with a Dynamic Green Hornet, a rewound 16D, but I think a few of the last ones had a different motor - always 16D. 

 

Don