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[68Caddy]

Philippe you forgot the word "cuck"! I have Holy Water my friend.


Nesta

[Duffy]

Wait a minute, he said he don't drink chuck. Never said he don't drink.

But I'll toss in a word--the domestic wine industry has standardized bulk wines pretty nicely, making a tolerable generic beverage very unlike what wine should be but still very drinkable for plebeians such as I who, sadly, have lost my nose function--and it's also far better than those occasionally-offensive SO2 mixers they used to market.
Add to that, the current fashion in Mylar bags in boxes: romantic as latex gloves, to be sure, but the vastly-lower recycling appeals to me.

Duffy, former Champion Homebrewer (1997 Rockland County Fair Best IPA "Shiva Winked")

[68Caddy]

Thanks Duffy. Why would anyone want tapered piano wire?


Nesta

[Duffy]

Positing enough wine in the Universe, tapered piano wire becomes irrelevant.

[68Caddy]

Not in a black hole!


Nesta

[Pablo]

Have to say I'm surprised that you guys don't know where I'm going with this?
It is not a trick question but its happening.

You've been jerking us around for 2 days with this, why don't you go ahead and tell us "Where it's going" and exactly how is "it happening" ?
I have a feeling you don't know where you are going and there was absolutely no point in this thread. I'm calling you out, go ahead and tell us now. With all due respect, of course

Or, you could just admit you were jive talkin....... Getting nervous about the upcoming flat track race n whatnot

Nesta, I know exactly how you feel, driving 3 hours (one way) to get up to BP....it is a stressful SOCAL drive...

You need more than tapered rails to achieve nirvana, dude

[Horsepower]

Nesta- I think DC-65X tapered his brass rod sometimes in some of his older builds, and I believe (chastize me if I'm wrong Rick) he justs uses his fingers to twirl the rod back and forth a little on the grinder.You could probably do the same with piano wire to taper the ends, although it's a lot harder material.

[The Bugman]

You've been jerking us around for 2 days with this, why don't you go ahead and tell us "Where it's going" and exactly how is "it happening" ?
I have a feeling you don't know where you are going and there was absolutely no point in this thread. I'm calling you out, go ahead and tell us now. With all due respect, of course

Or, you could just admit you were jive talkin....... Getting nervous about the upcoming flat track race n whatnot

Nesta, I know exactly how you feel, driving 3 hours (one way) to get up to BP....it is a stressful SOCAL drive...

You need more than tapered rails to achieve nirvana, dude

now who's giving Nesta a ration of cr*p Pablo,,,,,

[TSR]

How much taper and on what length? I am preparing my tapering machine for 0.025" piano wire. That ought to tune up that staccato to Pavarotti levels...

[Pablo]

now who's giving Nesta a ration of cr*p Pablo,,,,,

I am. I repeat:

I love to bust his chops when he sux

[Duffy]

How much taper and on what length? I am preparing my tapering machine for 0.025" piano wire. That ought to tune up that staccato to Pavarotti levels...

We should clarify a bit here: a candelabra of three tapers is a popular ornament on a piano in the concert hall, but it's really only an accent; it does nothing to illuminate the music on the stand, you need a separate light source for that. And, of course, some music is just innately illuminating. Transcendent, even. That of George Frederick Candle, for instance.

You also used to see several tapers in the audience, furtively holding up their Walkmans to try to get something like decent sound on the resultant recording.

What it's got to do with slot cars, I dunno. I'm presently on a Dr. John kick when I build. A little Miles tossed in.

[TSR]

Nesta likes tapered music by drugged up islanders, mon....

[havlicek]

Piano wire in a piano is coiled not tapered.

Most of it is coiled

Bill is right.

only mostly...and that only applies to "most" strings in an acoustic piano. Most electromechanical pianos (Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Pianet) use no "strings" at all, and then there are electronic and digital pianos...oh well...never mind

-john

[Bill from NH]

John, you think Nesta wants some of that digital wire?

[Duffy]

John, you think Nesta wants some of that digital wire?

...Oh.
.............OH.

VIRTUAL CHASSIS. --Of COURSE! And we completely missed it. Good one, Nesta. "Just POST your build".....

[68Caddy]

I guess I must be very unlikable? I don't jerk people around and I respect people in my age group, but there is a reason why I asked this simple question.
Have to say Pablo was sniffing it out for a wile, but he got side tracked?
I hope that you are not going back to read it again?


Nesta

[TSR]

Hey Nesta, if we did not like you, we would not pull your leg as much!

[Duffy]

WHAAAAT? Nesta, "unlikable" is within your control, you DO jerk people around regularly and arguably deliberately, and please TELL US THE REASON you asked this question you DEEM "simple."
Jeez!
I'm goin' to bed, I'll be entertained some more in the morning.

[mdiv]

Duffy McDuffyl-buffle-rufflestein, with some butt-crack mc-crackitty-crackle-dactyl-butt and a lampshade in the corner, under a fire-escape with three-foot clearance on all sides.

[HarV Wallbanger III]

hes dangerous enuff with a soldering iron,whattaya wanna givem a belt sander for,,,he'll kill himself,or at least knock over his glass of(box)wine,,,lol,,
no nesta there aint no tapered piano wire for slotcars,,,but Warmack makes a flat sided wire if you ask him to

Nesta ... no belt sander for you!..................... You'll shot 'yer eye out!

[68Caddy]

Well this is what I was thinking, how can you make a main rail work like a suspension? I was thinking about a car coil that is tapered and the challenge is how would you do it with a straight wire.
Pablo was hitting it right, after all he lives with some smart little dogs hard to pull a trick on him?
Basically the tread was I was asking about if they make tapered wires and nothing else.
Need to try to build one before I can say it works or not, at this point I have not done so.
That is the reason I was not able to tell you guys what was up with my warped mind.
No mind games from this end.
As you know their has been some trick bending of main rails in the past but does it work? I don't have a clue at this point.


Nesta

[pockets3113]

just remember " You can tune a piano,But you cant tuna fish"

[Duffy]

No mind games from this end.

Ohhh, RIIIIGHT, Karnak!
"No Mind Games" would be: you just asking in post #1 and Pablo answering in #2; instead of trying to address it in #7 and you finally getting to the point in #46.
But it was fun while it was going, huh?

Okay. Grumpy Tool & Die Maker weighs in.

As you know their has been some trick bending of main rails in the past but does it work? I don't have a clue at this point.

Pablo gave a pretty much all-in-one answer, & I won't "explain" that: he's covered it. But there's another genre of chassis torsion movement emerging--

--The kind of thing we're seeing in Bryan's and TonyP's recent zigzag-rail cars is one way of softening up the chassis, which is the effect you're going for in this "spring" thing. The placement of the zigzag would have an effect on how much flex you get and where in the whole mass, and the size of the zigzag would make it stiffer or softer.
It's also a way-more-useful application of the torsional--read, twisting--property of wire: something you can feel in your hand and make reasonable educated guesses at, because it takes up a larger & more uniform length of the material than would any tapered wire, which changes its stress properties along the length of the taper.

Either of these applications are useful, since you can whip up a chassis quick and test it out--and then change a length or placement, & test again. All bending and soldering, all short & quick changes and fast results.

Now--
Trying to sand wire to a taper adds a whole 'nother level of tooling, preparation, difficulty, and you make up those wires and basically use 'em once. Is that a good investment?
Not to mention planning. How do you engineer such a thing? How much homework do you wanna do with the various bending loads in progressively-tapering members? How big's your calculator?
Then, how do you zero in on what went wrong with your first guess, and what to do about it, just from observing how the car tested?

Lotta variables.

On the other hand, this sort of thing's what we Geeky Builders love to think about, whether it leads somewhere or not!

Just do it in fewer posts. Two's best. Three's okay. Duffy's too long.

[EDIT:] Since the post time of Nesta's response below is the same minute as mine, giving him practically no time to read this gobblygook let alone try to comprehend it, I assume his question is directed at something other than my response here. I'll forgo any attempts at clarification pending further info. --Df

[68Caddy]

and what do you mean?


Nesta

[68Caddy]

Dear Duffy
Post #47, I was not sure if he was making a sandwich?
And Duffy you are to smart my friend! I would not try to pull a fast one on ya.
Please face it I was just asking about a tapered piano wire in post #1.
BTW I feel its Watergate again.


Nesta