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[Marty Stanley]

I have worked with both LapMaster and SRT and am very familar with both of them.

Let's be honest here SRT is a dinosaur that is here because it works - kinda sorta well enough - but more importantly we are quite familar with the quirks it has and know what it will do.

Lapmaster is a new program that we are learning and as such are not quite familar with yet. But, let me say this about that, Carstens is avaialble and willing to do things to make it the way we want it.

One of the things I like about it is the "predictions" it makes. In a round robin affair it is a very nice thing to have so you really have an idea of how you are doing. I've worked with other lap counting programs that show you nothing about where you are when racing a round robin.

Once we get the little things adjusted to where it feels really good to us I think you will see LapMaster being installed in many locations. Once you sit down and analyze it, along with all the electrical considerations that LapMaster does correctly I think you too will realize that it is truly the best system.

[MSwiss]

AOne minor complaint over the weekend was when doing a round-robin,it was seeding the better qualifiers on the track vs. giving them the sitouts.Tom L. and I were really scratching our heads in F1 wondering why we qualified 1+2 and had to race right away, while 9th thru 13th got sitouts.

[Ron Hershman]

One minor complaint over the weekend was when doing a round-robin,it was seeding the better qualifiers on the track vs. giving them the sitouts.Tom L. and I were really scratching our heads in F1 wondering why we qualified 1+2 while 9th thru 13th got sitouts.

Did that make a difference or give any one an advantage???

[MSwiss]

Myself and Tom both argreed we would sooner start on Red with no one else on the starting line to drag race into the deadman.

[Rick]

I have worked with both LapMaster and SRT and am very familar with both of them.

Let's be honest here SRT is a dinosaur that is here because it works - kinda sorta well enough - but more importantly we are quite familar with the quirks it has and know what it will do.

Lapmaster is a new program that we are learning and as such are not quite familar with yet. But, let me say this about that, Carstens is avaialble and willing to do things to make it the way we want it.

One of the things I like about it is the "predictions" it makes. In a round robin affair it is a very nice thing to have so you really have an idea of how you are doing. I've worked with other lap counting programs that show you nothing about where you are when racing a round robin.

Once we get the little things adjusted to where it feels really good to us I think you will see LapMaster being installed in many locations. Once you sit down and analyze it, along with all the electrical considerations that LapMaster does correctly I think you too will realize that it is truly the best system.

Marty,


You are correct, the guy is here listening and watching. A few small adjustments and it would be fine, IMO.

The predictor using section numbers gives a less accurate outcome, if it were adjusted to just whole laps, it would be closer to the average lap count, aka SRT.

A larger display in practice mode would also be an improvement. The last column with who has fast lap record is useless info displayed.

[Ron Hershman]

Myself and Tom both argreed we would sooner start on Red with no one else on the starting line to drag race into the deadman.

Well let them go or try and get the holeshot......heck Mike...... going into the deadman on Red you have the advantage.... one good wide rear fender and you could take out half the field in the first turn LOL

It's really no different in a 8 man race at the start and on red lane...... still a drag race.

The last column with who has fast lap record is useless info displayed.

Unless you have all the "track records" LOL

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

I know you would like to have the fanciest system out there but the sections part should be elminated.( just whole numbrs) It gives a false number for total laps. We only count how many times a car actually trips the counter for final results. The projected finish is a neat idea during the race, but that is just that, a projection. Whole numbers is the only thing that counts. The finishing results are correct as to placement of the finishers, no problem there. Just as SRT would always list two racers that were tied at the end and it looked at who crossed first and was almost correct in every instance on the tie.

Rick, you are totally misunderstanding how it works. If you were to start just before the counter and ran 29 laps stopping just AFTER the counter you would be given credit for the 30 times that you went over the counter BUT you really didn't run 30 laps. You ran only 29 laps and a couple of feet. The total at the end is the CORRECT total. The same total laps would have been counted by my SRT system. The laps per lane in the statistics page are the actual laps that you ran (in the example - 29.1). The total laps at the end are the number of times you crossed the counter (in the example - 30) just like SRT would have counted. You do not add up the fractions of laps after the decimal because that is a calculated value base on your average lap times and how long since your last trip across the counter. Statistically it is a more accurate way to determine your performance And I agree it is a little confusing because it is a new concept. Stop and think for a minute and I think you will understand. I know it took a while for me to appreciate it.

BUT - LET'S MAKE ONE THING PERFECTLY CLEAR. THE FINAL LAP TOTALS ARE CORRECT. EVERYONE GOT EVERY LAP THEY EARNED.

[Rick]

When we enter the "House of Hershman" we expect that.

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

The predictor using section numbers gives a less accurate outcome, if it were adjusted to just whole laps, it would be closer to the average lap count, aka SRT.

AGAIN Rick - WRONG. Read my other post and I think you will understand that it is a MORE accurate way of reporting than SRT. What it is guilty of is being NEW and DIFFERENT.

[tonyp]

I like the fastest lap, adds to watching the race.

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

When we enter the "House of Hershman" we expect that.

The "House of Hershman"?? Interesting.......I guess he is looking for a new home now since he was beat 3 out of 4 times this weekend???

[Ron Hershman]

The "House of Hershman"?? Interesting.......I guess he is looking for a new home now since he was beat 3 out of 4 times this weekend???

Yes I am once again homeless..... I thought the "Ronaldo Dome" had a nice ring to it Mike

[Rick]

Rick, you are totally misunderstanding how it works. If you were to start just before the counter and ran 29 laps stopping just AFTER the counter you would be given credit for the 30 times that you went over the counter BUT you really didn't run 30 laps. You ran only 29 laps and a couple of feet. The total at the end is the CORRECT total. The same total laps would have been counted by my SRT system. The laps per lane in the statistics page are the actual laps that you ran (in the example - 29.1). The total laps at the end are the number of times you crossed the counter (in the example - 30) just like SRT would have counted. You do not add up the fractions of laps after the decimal because that is a calculated value base on your average lap times and how long since your last trip across the counter. Statistically it is a more accurate way to determine your performance And I agree it is a little confusing because it is a new concept. Stop and think for a minute and I think you will understand. I know it took a while for me to appreciate it.

BUT - LET'S MAKE ONE THING PERFECTLY CLEAR. THE FINAL LAP TOTALS ARE CORRECT. EVERYONE GOT EVERY LAP THEY EARNED.

Yup, I don't understand. I know if you begin right before the lap counter and just cross at the bell you would have run X amount of laps. My question was: I added up all of Matts whole laps and it comes out to 285 not 288, as the results page listed. I did not imply anyone did not get their laps, but if you add up the sections into the count , it comes out 288?

I think/consider 288 is a perfect race, that is 36 laps per heat. I don't think we will go beyond that until the equipment changes. I havent seen anyone to date run a perfect race with 36 laps per lane- YET. 285 being the closest. I have only seen a few 37's run in three years and its usually backed up with a 35, next lane. Average 36.

Even your example above does not clear it up for me. If you tripped the counter 29 times, its 29 laps, not 30. I understand the not actually running a full 30 laps because you started short, but the counter has to be tripped 30 times, not 29......

[Don Weaver]

Instead of all this back and forth about crossing the lap counter could we get a post on the F1 and Can-Am results?

Don Weaver

[Ron Hershman]

I think/consider 288 is a perfect race, that is 36 laps per heat. I don't think we will go beyond that until the equipment changes. I havent seen anyone to date run a perfect race with 36 laps per lane- YET.

Hey Rick Matt turned 290 laps in his Can-Am semi. I turned 293 with a "unworthy" F-1 car.

If we had ran Can-Am on Sat or the track for the Can-Am race was as fast as it was for the F-1 race....... maybe 292-295 laps for Can-Am?????

The track was rocking Sat night......7 guys over the old F-1 track record of 278. Not sure the cars are any faster, but the track was and the race was very clean.

[Ron Hershman]

Instead of all this back and forth about crossing the lap counter could we get a post on the F1 and Can-Am results?

Don Weaver

Other than the results posted in the "live scoring" thread link.... what would you like to know?

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

Yup, I don't understand. I know if you begin right before the lap counter and just cross at the bell you would have run X amount of laps. My question was: I added up all of Matts whole laps and it comes out to 285 not 288, as the results page listed. I did not imply anyone did not get their laps, but if you add up the sections into the count , it comes out 288?

I think/consider 288 is a perfect race, that is 36 laps per heat. I don't think we will go beyond that until the equipment changes. I havent seen anyone to date run a perfect race with 36 laps per lane- YET. 285 being the closest. I have only seen a few 37's run in three years and its usually backed up with a 35, next lane. Average 36.

Even your example above does not clear it up for me. If you tripped the counter 29 times, its 29 laps, not 30. I understand the not actually running a full 30 laps because you started short, but the counter has to be tripped 30 times, not 29......

I'm not sure I can explain any more clearly. First, DO NOT ADD the sections. Obviously the system has to estimate where you might have stopped.

A lap is once around the track. In our case 155' of track. So, in my previous example starting just behind the counter, after moving just a few inches you are awarded one lap. Not accurate as far as determining your performance on just that lane. You are still given credit for the lap because you did earn that lap. BUT most of that lap was earned on the previous lane and should not be considered when trying to analyze your performance per lane. Your TOTAL laps are still accurate because they are based on the total of ALL lanes. The differences are due to the "guestimate" of your stopping section per lane.

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

Instead of all this back and forth about crossing the lap counter could we get a post on the F1 and Can-Am results?

Don Weaver

Sorry Don. Because of my VERY bad internet connection the FTP upload of the F-1 data failed. The links posted BUT not the data. I am going to try and manually rebuild the data this week.

The Can-Am results were working when I last checked.

[Ron Hershman]

Sorry Don. Because of my VERY bad internet connection the FTP upload of the F-1 data failed. The links posted BUT not the data. I am going to try and manually rebuild the data this week.

The Can-Am results were working when I last checked.

Yep everything works except the F-1 results

[Tom Thumb Hobbies]

Yes I am once again homeless..... I thought the "Ronaldo Dome" had a nice ring to it Mike

Yup. New sign going up. "The Lair of the Lauterbachs" Has a good ring to it.

[tonyp]

I consider this a perfect race..LOL



Pos
Driver
Race result
Best time
Best lane
Heat
1
Matt Bruce
290.02
4.766
Blue
1
2
Tom Lauterbach
287.08
4.774
Blue
1
3
Cap Henry
287.07
4.827
Green
1
4
Ron Hershman
286.01
4.840
Green
2
5
Jeff Lauterbach
282.06
4.879
Purple
2
6
Mike Swiss
282.00
4.872
White
2
7
Ralph Thorne
281.00
4.844
Orange
1
8
Brian Cox
279.07
4.866
Black
1
9
Paul Martin
278.08
4.932
Orange
1
10
Rande Marshall
277.08
4.834
Yellow
1
11
Tom Calvert
277.04
4.944
Orange
2
12
Rick Maynard
275.06
4.937
Green
2
13
Mark Kito
272.06
4.978
Orange
1
14
James Merriman
271.03
5.031
Black
2
15
Al Rutti
267.06
4.934
Yellow
2
16
Dave Simerka
259.00
4.991
Yellow
2

[TSR]

!!!! After such a great event, some of you people are complaining an moaning about some small details? How about letting Mike McMasters a bit of a rest? Would that be too much to ask?
Mike, from what I could see on the video, looks like it was really a very good race, well run, and the best won.
Congratulations to you, you ran a great ship.

Myself and Tom both argreed we would sooner start on Red with no one else on the starting line to drag race into the deadman.

Yeah, then you get nailed on the top turn by the Nestas on the black lane...

[MSwiss]

Tony,FWIW,those are the semi lap totals.Matt had a 37 with a come-off.

[Ron Hershman]

!!!! After such a great event, some of you people are complaining an moaning about some small details? looks like it was really a very good race, well run, and the best won.
Congratulations to you, you ran a great ship.

Yes Mike and Family did a great job..... some are never satisfied

[Rick]

Jesus H Christ, I am not complaining, I am trying to understand the new math. PDL go take care of D3! The McMAsters did a great job with this event or I could have left if I was not staisfied with it all. Cindi and Jesse worked their butts off keeping their end going for 4 days. And believe me P I did not have a very good Saturday at all and it had nothing to do with the race, timer, counter or personal. I had a good time and learned a ton this weekend, way more than any other weekend to date.

Thank you Mike and family. I did not mean to imply it was less than a big fun weekend. Sorry.