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[Mark Wampler]

You will have to make your pitch to Mr.Foster. The stuff Steve uses gets the job done fast with less effort. We used mineral spirits before, but thit this product works much better.

[Mike K]

You will have to make your pitch to Mr.Foster. The stuff Steve uses gets the job done fast with less effort. We used mineral spirits before, but thit this product works much better.

Mark-

Do you use it to mix spray glue?

[Foamy]

Many years ago when I spent my time making real car horsepower we had a cleaner company that had a parts cleaner and it was called Safety Clean. I have used some old stuff that I have had around for years and it works well for cleaning gunk out of motors. I wonder how well it would work as a track cleaner? When new it would take your body oil from your hands and dry them out . We used to put a quart of auto tranny oil to help keep your hands from drying out.

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PHIL I.

The Safety Clean solvent available in California is not an option. It is something like $60.00/gal. Plus it does not dry without a film. Before I contact cement tires to rims, they get a wipedown with lacquer thinner.

The old Premimum Solvent would work swell, but I think that ia a 49 State product. . .

[Mark Wampler]

Mark-

Do you use it to mix spray glue?

I believe Steve does use it to mix spray glue. Its either that or Naptha.

[Rick]

Glad I don't have to live in Calif and deal with all that crap*. But, if they watch the amount the body shop uses, can an individual walk in and buy a can? How many racers do you have there? Get my drift.................

*I thought Pa had all the stupid laws. LOL. If the Ordinance Officer would have every found my battery room in Butler, I'd still be getting letters in the pokey.

[Mark Wampler]

Last night at the race Steve said he did use the above mentioned wax and grease cleaner to make up the spray glue concoction. There's ways to stay within the law and keep the track clean or until such loopholes get sewed up. Otherwise, " I know nothing".

[Rickard Five]

Barney.... you should see what the SCAQMD has been doing in outlawing all sorts of chemicals around here. Not long ago they were trying to outlaw cutting oils... Aqueous solvents can work but sometimes they're worse for human health than the oil based solvents and I have yet to find an aqueous solvent that works as well as any oil based solvent for my business, so I'm using this Mickey Mouse $50/gallon stuff that *disintegrates* in air. I just spend over $1000 to refill the cleaning machine not long ago...
Lacquer thinner is still available in 5 gallon cans.... if you know where to look .

I got a Solution, Leave California as quickly as you can. this sounds like some stupid law, Like emission testing, That will start out there in the land of Fruit and Nuts and be forced on the rest of us by the Kaliphonia communist Party! IS there any WAY WE CAN GIVE Kaliphonia to the French?

[opie]

Here is a product i tried last night it seemed to work . at 100% it scared me so I tired 50% seemed to work very well.

Ingredient CAS # Wt. %

Poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl), .alpha.-(4-nonylphenyl)-.omega.-hydroxy-,branched 127087-87-0 1 - 5

Tetrasodium ethylenediaminetetraacetate 64-02-8 0.5 - 1.5

Sodium metasilicate 6834-92-0 1 - 5

Sodium hydroxide 1310-73-2 1 - 5

Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether 111-76-2 1 - 5

It does not really address the fume problem, though not as strong as Naphtha, but still slightly smelly. I used it because i have been having braid lifting problems when i clean the track with Naphtha
I just hope there is nothing in the active ingredients that will attack the copper in the braid.

[Mark Wampler]

Looks good. Same problem here with Naptha. We had to soak it real good to clean, but it was lifting the braid in the bank. We don't have to soak it using the stuff we use now.

Just be sure not to arouse any hyper motivated environmental minded racers here on SB

[Garry]

The south coast air quality management district has been removing VOC's from paints and thinners for quit some time, this is nothing new. they do this so you can buy your precious gasoline to power your gas-guzzlers. sooner than later you will not be able to buy mineral spirits, no solvents at all. My suggestion is every time you go to Arizona, Orgeon and Nevada stock up on Naptha or Coleman Fuel, their are also some off brand camp stove fuels that work just as well. Don't store it or leave any at you place of business all it takes is one person pissed off at you and it is a big fine. don't leave any paper trail pay cash. Don't get caught because they will investage your purchases from years way back. one fine would put a slot car raceway out of business. to legally use these solvents you would have to buy carbon credits from the district and then only if the credits are available to purchase, then you have to submitt a plan how you would contain the VOC's. their are only 2 methods, carbon absorbtion and incineration of which no slot car raceway can finance.
also all the glue you sell should be labeled Known to cause cancer per california law.
Acetone (finger nail polish remover) is the only solvent I lnow which is legal to use in california.
If you can't make it out of state try D-Limonene to clean the track, also I know tracks that use Simple Green.
My question is how are you going to make spray glue?
I hate to tell you I told you so but I did in 1993 at the So Cal USRA membership meeting.

Garry Haworth

[Phil Hackett]

We decided to attack the track last night and discovered that there is no longer any solvent based chemical remover. Until now we've used the basic silicone and wax remover, BUT now there is no such availability. Only water based! Might as well break the 409 out

Anyone else in California dealing with the issue? Anyone have some intel on EPA/air quality control regs?

Here's the current California and South Coast Air rules:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/drdb/sc/cur.htm

Just know that 75% of the written rules are definitions,,,,,

[Mark Wampler]

So easy to stir the pot on this thread. Almost as good as FreeBlog

There was a discussion regarding Carbon Tet that Champion used in glass bottles for motor cleaning. Hummmm, how about Carbon tet cleaning for tracks too??? Garry and Phil, here you go.... lay it on me.

[Mark Wampler]

That wasn't too hard......

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Slot car tracks are open game??

[iceracer]

I may have mentioned this in the past, so forgive me if I have.
About 20 years ago, I was an active kart racer. One of the places I raced at a few times, was the Niagara Falls, NY convention centre.

The surface we raced on was the concrete floor of the centre. Initially, they prepared this slippery surface by using a combination of brake fluid and rosin.

I never raced on that concoction, but I did race on the surface prepared with coca cola syrup!

The traction provided with that process would rip your head off. It was about impossible to spin out, once it dried and tacked up.
After the races were over, they hosed the floor off with water and it was good to go again.

They just misted the stuff on with big plant sprayers. I understand that MDF does not respond well to water, but as long as you're not flooding it on, it should be OK?

Would something like that work for slot cars?

Terry

[Dan Searcy]

Regulations aside, you DONT want to use carbon tet. Look at an MSDS. The IDLH is 200 PPM. That means that there is an immediate danger to life and health at 200 parts per millon.

Dan

[Mark Wampler]

I believe that was touched on the other thread, but I wanted more of an official estimate here. Aside from that, it appears all useful chemicals that deal with slot racing, even when handled properly will eventually disappear. Slot racing isn't for everyone. Strict sanitation has never struck me as a part of the hobby. Wear gloves, masks or whatever to protect yourself.

[Old pink can guy]

LET'S JUST GO BACK TO stp!!!