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[Rick]

Sonys track was real good, it had a small issue coming up the hill on the donut on Red, but that was just required a tweak to remove. Other than that, that is one hell of a deal for a nice King.

[Noose]

Gerding worked on the track after they sold it to NJ Slot Spot. As noted, it is still for sale and yes that is great price.

[JohnnySlotcar]

Isnt there a king in Michigan that is for sale.Possibly an early Gerding? Gary-please chime in here!

[Jeremy Wyant]

I dont think That there is unless somepthing has changed in the last few weeks the last i new a new building was being built for it and was going to be up in running in july at some secret location.

[TSR]

Gentlemen,
Would you really want this "Worlds" whatever the term means, to be set on a King track rather than one that does not favor motors as much, but driving ability and chassis engineering, such as a flat road course?
Seems to me that a King is simply going to reward the guy with the faster motor, all other things being equal.

[One_Track_Mind]

Leave it PDL to throw some logic into the mix!

[Jeremy Wyant]

If you guys want a flat track tss hobbies in mi has a very nice UK black and is big enough to hold the event and is 15 min from Detroit metro 3 hrs from Chicago and 3 hrs from tom thumb so it is still close for everyone

[Ron Hershman]

Gentlemen,
Would you really want this "Worlds" whatever the term means, to be set on a King track rather than one that does not favor motors as much, but driving ability and chassis engineering, such as a flat road course?
Seems to me that a King is simply going to reward the guy with the faster motor, all other things being equal.

Hey who claims hand out motors are equal when racing on the King track at BRP?

If all other things are equal.... it will come down to who has the fastest motor even on a flat track

How many flat tracks did you race on back in the day?? King track racing is "retro"

The biggest retro races have been held on King tracks correct?

[JohnnySlotcar]

Above my turf football field is the spectator gallery, so we would have an overview already set.13 team rooms available,with locking doors for securing their equipment.Full service cafe and private parking for 400 cars."Sky boxes" above the field and viewing area for VIP activities.

[John Streisguth]

The king track always seemed to allow people to race on an even footing, as most have run on them at one point or another. if it's not a "punchbowl", but one that had to be driven with a good handling chassis, it's not just a matter of motors. And like Ron said, what's more "retro" than a king track?

A flat track will give a huge advantage to local racers who have run many laps on it., unless it was a brand new layout design that nobody has seen or run on before. What are the odds of that happening?

[Ron Hershman]

unless it was a brand new layout design that nobody has seen or run on before. What are the odds of that happening?

Slim to none.

[Larry Mattingly]

I think the time has come to establish a steering committee to explore the feasibility of doing such an event...

I propose the make-up inlude a representative from the following groups:

Retro East
ORS
Penn-Ohio
A representative from an IRRA regional series with the best race attendance aside from the above three
D3

The above represent 2/3 of the active Retro racers in the US.

Also M.G. Brown, as he knows the ins and outs of the Chicago media...

We also need to keep in mind the mandates put forth by JP...


LM

[Jacob Shiplet]

That Lake Barrington place seems pretty cool. Definitely big enough

[tonyp]

A king track i believe is the fairest as it is the one track most people know and an easy track to get dialed in for. With minimal practice it is fairly easy to get up to speed. Of course I am refering to a king like Mike's or Sonny's which have to be driver rather then a punch bowl type king.

[Jeremy Wyant]

Above my turf football field is the spectator gallery, so we would have an overview already set.13 team rooms available,with locking doors for securing their equipment.Full service cafe and private parking for 400 cars."Sky boxes" above the field and viewing area for VIP activities.

Your place sounds like its perfect for the event!!

[Ron Hershman]

Of course I am refering to a king like Mike's or Sonny's which have to be driver rather then a punch bowl type king.

I have yet to see a "punch bowl" track for retro. The Gerding King at TR Motorplex is NOT punched while driving and the track still has to be driven with IRRA Can-Am cars. The Gerding King at TR's is similar to Roger's in Chicago and at Mimi's in D.C.

Can any of you run your car "full punch" at Mimi's track and if you can are you running 3.9's while never letting up on all 8 lanes?

[tonyp]

Mimi's was punched "in retro sense" when i ran there 3 years ago.

You just had to blip the deadman, finger was punched and you blipped going under the bridge and again turning on the straight. It was all about horsepower. I hated it.

[TSR]

Hey who claims hand out motors are equal when racing on the King track at BRP?
If all other things are equal.... it will come down to who has the fastest motor even on a flat track
How many flat tracks did you race on back in the day?? King track racing is "retro"
The biggest retro races have been held on King tracks correct?

I believe that running a "worlds" on a King rather than on an MTT-style track favors too much a car with a faster motor. I believe that a flat track removes some of that advantage if anyone has that advantage.
No one, certainly not me, ever pretended that motors can be equal. What we in D3 have found however is that it appears that the motors we are using are more evenly matched than others on our own Gerding King that is a punch-bowl and where a slightly faster motor makes a huge difference.
King tracks are simply too easy to drive, meaning that the lesser drivers favor them for their racing. Of course the best always comes on top, regardless of the type of track, but I believe that it would be preferable to run such an event on a much more challenging track such as the one that is or was at Roger's raceway in Illinois.
However, this is one opinion, and at this time, it matters little.

As far as the "old-timer" race between the near-geriatric have-been, Bryan warmack and I share ownership of 8 cars built for the old-timer races in California, that would only need new motors and new tires to be ready to race.
Something to think about.

[Garry]

"If your full punch your going to slow." Rick Mears

[RomanK]

Can any of you run your car "full punch" at Mimi's track and if you can are you running 3.9's while never letting up on all 8 lanes?

No, we go 3.6's.... kidding of course. Now that folks have figured out how to get a 3.9 lap out of a retro car at Mimi's most have found that you have to maximize your chute speed (harder tires) then drive the turns.

In a nutshell, if your car's a slug, it's a punchbowl, if you're fast, it's not as it is with many tracks.

[tonyp]

"King tracks are simply too easy to drive, meaning that the lesser drivers favor them for their racing."

My secret is out...

[Ron Hershman]

King tracks are simply too easy to drive, meaning that the lesser drivers favor them for their racing.

Sure... so let's have the race on a harder track for most to tune and drive. That will make for a large race.

[Garry]

Why didn't you guys run on flat tracks back in the day when Retro wasn't Retro? I believe if you had the Gerding type tracks to run on back then slot racing would have had a better chance to survive.

[Ron Hershman]

... slot racing would have had a better chance to survive.

Just like a Tootsie Pop... how many licks does it take to get to the center???

The World MAY NEVER KNOW.

[tonyp]

There is no ideal track. A flat hard track will keep a lot of people home. I wanted to kill myself after trying to run on Mike's flat track. LOL. The track would have to be built on site with no ability for any pre-running to keep it even. Existing flat tracks would have major home track advantage.

A "drivers" King track will get the most entries because everyone knows what to expect, but it may not "showcase" driving talent as much. But people will have a better time. The gap will be closer between the "Gods & Geeks™".

I'd go for the entries...