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[Pablo]

Ohhhh I thought the USRA Nats for 2012 was in Rohnert Park, CA

[GearBear]

Yes, I was talking about the USRA Nats at Slot Car Raceways in Rohnert Park, CA (http://www.scrhobbies.com/).

[Pablo]

So if one drives "down" to Rohnert Park, they must be in NORCAL.

[dingleberry]

Thanks for the advice gearbear. I am actually talking about the AMSRA Nats in Thomasville, Ga. The tracks there are actually my home tracks and I know pretty much every little nook and cranny.

The arm stated it was a 45 degree arm, and I never thought about it being labeled wrong. We change the arm to a 38 degree arm and tried several other gear ratios and got it down a few more tenths, but our S16D's are still faster.

I am right in thinking the S16C should be faster.....right?

[Pablo]

S16C should make the car turn faster lap times. It should be scary fast, if it is working right.

[Pablo]

I'm sure everybody has seen a photo of a flexi before, but here is my X25 GTP, as promised....some changes occurred....I could not fit the .540 PS arm in the Koford can, so I used a 515 PS S16C 46 deg. arm, Koford EB, T5 mags, Gold Dust brushes, Champion light springs, 9/37 gears, .730 rears, treated JK 8711's. We shall see if it works .......

[flem1959]

That`s a fine looking flexi!

[Pablo]

Thanks Mke, not much to it out of the ordinary ...

The guys I'll be racing with are world and national champs. Last race the World Champ was lapping me about every 20 seconds it seemed like

[dingleberry]

Lookin good Pablo......

What are your volt/amp readings with this motor?

[Pablo]

This one drew about 1.5 A @ 3V, runs cool.

[TallyBernie]

All,

I feel obligated to respond to Dingleberry's posts here as well as to those kind racers who have assisted him. I do not intend this as a hijack of Pablo's original posting.

I am responsible for placing the order for two motors on behalf of Dingleberry and another local racer at the Viper Pit Raceway, Thomasville, GA, in their preparation for the upcoming AMSRA Nats. Time grew short and my two fellow drivers were in a bind for some horsepower on a fairly tight budget - something beyond the ~$40 S16C P/S motors already hanging on the wall at the Pit. I ordered two motors identically spec'd with the reasonable expectation that they would be pretty good motors capable of shading the $40 P/S, but probably not up to the challenge of running with Team Kelly. However, when the motors arrived it was clear something was the matter. Neither motor had the characteristic S16C "sing" under power and the power supply numbers and on-track testing proved it. I will not rehash the details that Dingleberry provided but suffice it to say I tried everything I could with the tools at hand. As a result I shipped both motors to some friends in CA whom I am confident will diagnose, repair, and return the motors prior to the Nats. I will underwrite this additional expense, and look forward to Dingleberry and company having a great time running at the AMSRA Nats!

[Pablo]

Let us know what they find as the cause, Bernie , curious minds want to know.

Could be as simple as bad brushes, Lord knows I was there last week and got the TShirt

[dingleberry]

well the verdict is in......

wrong degree timed arm along with other issues
unmatched magnets
wrong springs
bad brushes

There is more wrong with the motors than right.

Great blue printing job Mick A. You have royally screwed us over. Enjoy your $150.00

[gotboostedvr6]

Sounds like they were geared wrong and over heated.
This would make the most sense.

Also if I were you I would include more details about what was "wrong" before slander was spread on the internet.

[dingleberry]

Sounds like out was geared wrong and over heated.
This would make the most sense.

Also if I were you I would include more details about what was "wrong" before slander was spread on the internet.

All gear combinations were tried.......Over heated?.....we did not even go one lap and we could tell something was wrong. Please read all the previous post concerning this.

I do not know what else to tell you about what was wrong, it seems pretty explanatory in my post.

I have no issues with letting this be known. This is not slander, but the truth. Bernie tried to make ammends with Mick about the issues but Mick refused to do so.

[Pablo]

The problem here is, a manufacturer's idea of a "blueprinted" motor is different than yours or mine.
I've seen built "blueprinted" motors so far out of alignment, you could see misaligned hoods with the naked eye.

You did not get Micky blueprinted motors, my friend. What you got was assembled parts. A truly blueprinted S16C motor with Koford and Pro Slot parts is going to cost you a LOT more than $75 apiece !!!
Sorry to have to be the one to tell you..

We will find you a good motor to use. I'll be there Friday about noon.

Pablo

[W. J. Dougherty]

Sorry guys but I have purchased "real" blueprinted motors for $75 or less. I don't know this person but IMO this one sound like it could be on the builder/assembler/blueprinter. I understand he can build good stuff, just maybe not in this case. If I was him I would stand behind my work and do what I could to make it right. Maybe I have been very lucky but often in slots it's "buyer beware"...

[dingleberry]

The problem here is, a manufacturer's idea of a "blueprinted" motor is different than yours or mine.
I've seen built "blueprinted" motors so far out of alignment, you could see misaligned hoods with the naked eye.

You did not get Micky blueprinted motors, my friend. What you got was assembled parts. A truly blueprinted S16C motor with Koford and Pro Slot parts is going to cost you a LOT more than $75 apiece !!!
Sorry to have to be the one to tell you..

We will find you a good motor to use. I'll be there Friday about noon.

Pablo

Understood completely Pablo, but what we have are complete duds. All we wanted was something a little better than the $40.00 off the wall motor.....which BTW we have had to resort to. No problem tho, I have the the off the wall motor down to a 3.90 on the purple Engleman......I can now only dream of what might have been with a little better motor......

look forward to seeing you on Friday

Sorry guys but I have purchased "real" blueprinted motors for $75 or less. I don't know this person but IMO this one sound like it could be on the builder/assembler/blueprinter. I understand he can build good stuff, just maybe not in this case. If I was him I would stand behind my work and do what I could to make it right. Maybe I have been very lucky but often in slots it's "buyer beware"...

thanks for understanding......we were not asking for miracle motors here, just something a little nicer than the off the wall motors.....

[TallyBernie]

Pablo,

Again I apologize for appearing to hijack your original post. I'll try to make amends by way of telling you about Greg Gilbert's experience at the AMSRA Warm-up a few weeks back. Greg powerfully demonstrated his driving and car building skills by whipping the rest of the field in the GTP class. I spoke with Greg post-race and he told me he ran 10/43 72p gears in the GTP event (on the Engelman). I believe the tires were in the .720-.740 range. He also ran the JK X25 center section (0.035") with JK 0.025" pans. (Greg, if you're reading this, feel free to chime in and correct me.)

Now, onto Dingleberry and the motor ordeal. I spoke with Dingleberry yesterday and explained the diagnosis received from my friends out west. I summarize by stating the motors needed substantial overhaul without casting aspersions on who did what prior to the additional work. Several hours after that conversation I received the good news that the motors were repaired and shipped yesterday. I expect to receive them Friday, March 30, one day prior to the event. I have paid the cost of repair, considering it the right thing to do.

[dingleberry]

Bernie is a scholar and a gentlemen and his expertise is second to none. He has been a true gentlemen throughout this entire fiasco and I am grateful to call him my friend. He has gone above and beyond any expectations. He truly has taking on the responsibility on making this right, even though it is definetly not required. We are all in this together, including any cost. No way will I let my friend take the brunt of this mess.

Pablo,
I also do aplogize for the threadcrapping and I look forward to racing with you on Saturday.

[Pablo]

I do not, and never have, minded thread drift. This is a chatroom, that's what is for, is chatting. My X25 is ready to go. Again, if your motors do not arrive in time, we can and will find a competitive motor to loan dingleberry.

And I will have two stories to tell you about "blueprinted" motors, one about an X12 and one about a S16C.
That's all I have to say about that. Time to pack up the Chihuahua and head East in a few hours
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Don Weaver]

Good Luck at the race this weekend, Pablo!

Don Weaver

[Pablo]

Thanks Don,

The gearing was good and the bracing worked out fine, zero problems there.
Very very fast racing. My car was great, I don't remember my exact results, but the car was better than my driving skills.

Thanks everybody for the help !

[GearBear]

So, what was the configuration of your car Pablo?

[Pablo]

See post # 56.

The car worked very well, I was happy with it.