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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:08 PM

The fastest retro class avialable and no spoiliers, I am sorry, but that makes zero sense to me! WHY????


Because the bodies are different and they do not need spoilers. Remember, we do not run the same bodies for RP as for CanAm.

Even on our flat track, with the right body choice and the right frame and tires, no spoiler is needed.
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Posted 30 August 2012 - 12:33 AM

Because the bodies are different and they do not need spoilers. Remember, we do not run the same bodies for RP as for CanAm.

Even on our flat track, with the right body choice and the right frame and tires, no spoiler is needed.

Because the bodies are different and they do not need spoilers. Remember, we do not run the same bodies for RP as for CanAm.

Even on our flat track, with the right body choice and the right frame and tires, no spoiler is needed.



Dennis is right. No spoiler is really needed as most of the winning cars at the BPR King track are nowhere near the highest possible rear body height on the MAC Porsche. The bodies are totally different than the Can Ams. However the SCRRA is discussing allowing a small 1/4" spoiler to allow some perceived tuning options if people don't have the luxury of changing a lot bodies of various heights to try to get their car to work. Remember also that there is NO minimum weight limit. I don't know what Jay's car weighed at the CPC but around 85 grams seems to be the winning weight out here.
As I said before, use the SCRRA rules as a guideline as the basic rules are sound but when it comes to things such as spoilers and body trimming just enforce things as you see fit.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

The SCRRA is still discussing these few subtle body rules changes and I will let everyone know shortly. :)

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:47 AM

We can't wait for the race!!!!!! The retro pro cars on the G9 are INSANE
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:38 AM

We can't wait for the race!!!!!! The retro pro cars on the G9 are INSANE


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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:39 AM

We can't wait for the race!!!!!! The retro pro cars on the G9 are INSANE

Jay what body do you recommend ?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 11:19 AM

The MAC Mirage and Porsche works pretty good. The Porsche has more downforce. Ron has a version of each too, so they are easy to find.

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Posted 07 September 2012 - 12:22 AM

The SCRRA has come up with a little compromise that seems to please most of the racers out here regarding the front body trim lines.
As most of these RP bodies droop a bit on the sides after a few races we decided to allow a 1/4' trimming as acceptable. The center section of the front body must be cut at the trim line. See pic. below.

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This rule was written as it allows a little natural droop without reinforcement and it eliminates the overcutting seen here.

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Still working on the rear end. We found some bodies that were over 7" long and we need to establish a new maximum body length. As it stands now it is certain spoilers will be allowed up to a maximum overall body and spoiler height of 1 3/4". Just need to measure a few more bodies.....................will get back ASAP.

John was asking about the bodies. At BPR Duran Trujillo is generally the one to beat and mostly Duran runs a Mirage or an O/S, not sure which but Duran is NOWHERE near the maximum rear body height. We have never allowed spoilers until now but Duran is probably no higher than 1 3/8"

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Posted 10 September 2012 - 11:30 PM

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back with the rear end and spoiler clarification. We decided to make the maximum rear height 1 3/4" which includes any added spoiler. Maximum spoiler length will be 1/2" and the maximum body length has been changed to 7". The MAC Lola T292 is actually slightly over 7" but 7" sounds good and enforce this stuff as you guys see fit. I know there are several Outisight RP bodies that are perfectly legal and just aren't on the body list. We hope to update it ASAP. I'm sure Mike and Jay know what should be acceptable if something isn't on the list. Retro Pro is a great retro class as it is pretty cheap and these things FLY!!... Have Fun!!

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:23 PM

Most Parma front O ring wheels do not make .625 dia meter. How fussy are we gonna be on that .?
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:41 PM

Don't forget to make the tune up race as Mason Dixon invades Speedzone on October 13 . Retro Pro and Can Am on the King.
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Posted 22 September 2012 - 01:31 PM

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 07:46 PM

I plan to arrive at JFK on Nov 5 or 6. Does SpeedZone have special store hours preceding the Fall Brawl?

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:18 PM

Most Parma front O ring wheels do not make .625 dia meter. How fussy are we gonna be on that .?


Dale,
We found the same thing out here in SoCal as well. Even on some of the older wheels if fitted with new "O" rings the diameter would still be about .610 or so. We generally ignored it as long as the front clearance was OK.

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Posted 23 September 2012 - 08:44 PM

USSCA noticed this a long time ago and the 5/8" front was nominal and .600 was set in the rules as minimum.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:43 PM

I agree. As long as you make clearance it's good to go.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:04 PM

What is the wheelbase suppose to be?
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 04:39 PM

What is the wheelbase suppose to be?


^^^ UM, I didn't post that. :unknw: :unknw: :unknw:
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:01 PM

I plant to race GT-Coupe class for the first time.
If I race FK class, can I also run PD class?

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 06:33 PM

I plant to race GT-Coupe class for the first time.
If I race FK class, can I also run PD class?

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Only if you win the GTC-FK race ;)

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Posted 19 October 2012 - 06:43 AM

i would ***-ume that those participants that are not racing the retro pro show on the king can use thursday aft-eve testing /working on there cars on the engleman track ? while the retros race in the other building .
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

Haruki,

As mentioned its one or the other, unless you won GTC FK, in which case you get free entry into the pd race. I suggest that you decide which you run on the day depending on how you feel about the track and your cars. If your confident about winng FK then race it. PD will be much faster and harder to win.

Hip, I don't see why they wouldn't have the engleman open for practice.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 08:49 PM

preston you had t.q. last year in GTCfk..ran my tony p. aero car remember....now were doomed have to run with the BIG DOGS in the p.d. class.... lol
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:12 PM

I won GTC fk at rp3 so yea I'm on the list. Should be fun
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 07:41 AM

Pretty soon everybody will be on the list and we can get rid of FK motors. Then make retro what it should be, ONE MOTOR. Lol.
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