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#1 dc-65x

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

I've been retired and moved into our new home for just over a year. We bought the house mainly because of this room....at least I did :laugh2:
 
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Here's a layout of the room and an outline of the area the track must fit:
 
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This is my buddy Rodney's design for a track in this space. It's a hill climb style where the two main straights are partially on top of one another to save space:
 
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This is the letter I sent to these 4 track builders:
 
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Dear Sir,

Since I’m now in my retirement, it’s time for me to realize a lifelong dream and have a custom slot car track professionally built and installed in my home! To that end I’m sending this solicitation out for the consideration of the top track builders in North America.

I am very excited about this project. I also realize that professional craftsmanship and the great travel distances involved for most builders are not financially trivial matters. But as I said, this is a lifelong dream and I’m prepared to make it happen.

I’ve attached both .jpg and .pdf files of the size envelope I have available and a sketch my best friend did of a track design he favors. I will also mail you hard copies of this information by USPS Priority Mail.

But, I’m very much interested in what designs you’d suggest for my space. I’ve listed below some ideas I have about my track. These are just my “ideas” and I’m interested in your suggestions based on your considerable experience and expertise:

1. I was thinking of some type of hill climb style with the two main straights partially on top of one another to save space.

2. Would a 3 lane versus a 4 lane layout help in creating a better track design in my limited space?

3. I enjoy flat turns but I would like the turns before and after the main straight to be banked to allow for as much straightaway speed as possible.

4. For lane spacing, I’m used to driving on my old home raceway with a 4 ½” lane spacing and 5 ½” to the outside guard rail.

5.I need the control panel to protrude little, if at all, past the side of the track. Perhaps the controller hookups can be horizontal and recessed into the sides of the track?? I can provide removable “trays” for the controllers to rest on when the track is in use.

I very much look forward to hearing from you and thank you in advance,

Rick

 

Okie Dokie.......now we wait and see what they say.....


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:56 PM

Outstanding Rick .... live the dream! :good:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:15 PM

About time Rick :D Here's to a response that's to your liking soon !

 

Along with a track that fills that empty waiting room !



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:57 PM

Rick, I was present when Gary Gerding brought and assembled Greg Gilbert's new track in Robertsdale, Alabama.

Assembly was very very smooth, trouble free.  I helped with the wiring. The finished product was absolutely perfect.  Greg was 100% happy. 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:35 PM

Thanks guys, I can't wait to have a place to drive my cars again. Without a commercial track around I was dead in the water.

 

Pablo, thanks for the personal recommendation. It's much appreciated :)


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

For what it's worth, a couple of custom made tracks here in the north Texas area have had one common .... well, let's not call it a "complaint" per se, but one thing they wish was better.... gluing the braid down. Maybe there's no way around it, but after cleaning the track a few times with naptha, braid starts to come loose. If there's ANYthing that can realistically prevent this, I think it would be worth the $ in the long run.

 

By the way, when can I come up and play(once you have the track)?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:03 PM

Here is a toy type home track with a corkscrew section. Maybe one day someone can have a builder incorporate this into a wooden track. 

 

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:12 PM

:unsure:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

What will the approx. overall length be, Rick ?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:34 PM

The "Work Zone" is 19' X 9'. I wish it was bigger but that's what I've got.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

Ya, Sven, I can zee dat from ze sketch.

I'm probably not asking the question correctly.

How many feet will a car travel in one lap ? :laugh2:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

More than big enough for some slot car track Rick , you're gonna have a blast whatever layout the respective builder comes up with and builds :D

Can't wait to see the results!!

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:43 PM

Pablo, do you mean the lap length?  We'll have to wait and see what the builders come up with. :)


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:46 PM

Greg Gilbert's "The Nightmare" track by Gary Gerding:

 

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:48 PM

If you want to check out a TON of home track designs---go to Luf's home page "Oldslotracer.com"--- and take a look at what's been built all over the world!! Dennis Samson also has a VERY nice 3 lane track in less space than you have--and it's MAJOR FUN to drive and race on with 1/32 scale cars!! There's plenty of scratchbuilding in 1/32 as well---and 3 lanes with 4" lane spacing will help you maximize your racing space.  FWIW
 

I tried to "edit" my post and add some pics--but it won't let me do it?? 


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:04 PM

That nightmare track looks really cool to race on :D

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:42 PM

Yup. the Nightmare looks like it is a quality piece.

 

I've thought long and hard about this track. I guess that's why a year has gone by since I move in and could have had it built. 1/32 scale would allow for a much more elaborate track design. I've even thought about going 1/32 scale 3 lane and running my 1/24 scale cars on the middle lane.

 

But honestly, I'm a 1/24 scale guy that really only likes vintage cars from the "dawn of time" to the early 1970's with "clear plastic" bodies. I only plan on building a few vintage hard body cars and a few vintage 1/32 cars. This certainly doesn't mean there is anything wrong with other scales and other periods of cars, it's just what I have fun with and really enjoy building and driving.

 

Hmmmmm.....Just thought of this. I should have mentioned in that letter to the builders that I also hate S-turns and "launching humps"! :shok: :laugh2:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Rick, 

You seem a bit fussy about slot cars... lol ... would yellow sides be OK?

For this one ... you might have to let your better half pick the color.

 

"you never come out of that 'stupid' room since you got that damn track'

'but you know ... it's because I love the color you picked'  ;)


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:26 PM

Rick, 
You seem a bit fussy about slot cars... lol ... would yellow sides be OK?


Well, no :laugh2:

 

I want a light grey track surface with white side walls. I also what the track supports painted, not bare wood. Perhaps light grey also. Hey, there's something I'm somewhat open to debate on....what color to paint the track supports :crazy: :laugh2:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

oh man thats going to be a awesome room for sure Rick!

 

Pablo, i havent seen Greg Gilbert in years. he worked at my local track and last i heard when he moved he had a track half way under a carport at an apartment or something :D


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

How about the track support color matches the wall color ?

Looks like beige.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

How about a crossover section?! Lol

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:14 AM

Same principle on this home track of Juha Yli-Sipola, recently built by Hasse. Lap length appr. 43 ft.

 

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 05:00 AM

We're all jealous Rick!

 

If you're not totally convinced about the hillclimb style (I'm not too fond of it myself, maybe because I tend to get the straights mixed up!), here are a couple early club designs; not sure of their footprint tho. The first is the Ecurie Liberty, and I think it was for 1/24 and 1/32; the second, Clarendon in England, is strictly 1/32, but I like the design...

 

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 07:15 AM

Rick

 

Four inch lane spacing works for 1/32 and 1/24 and would save a little space. My track has 4" lane spacing with a foot print of 8' x 24'. I have 3" on the inside of the turns and 6" on the outside (per Dennis Samson's recommendations, and it's perfect). With your 9' width and a Hillclimb configuration you should have no problem fitting in 4 lanes with 4 1/2" lane spacing.

 

My track   http://slotblog.net/...4-butchs-track/

 

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:21 AM

Hasse Nilsson........that brings back bad memories :mad:

Years ago when he was living in the US with John Ford and down on his luck I sent him full payment for a small home track. Instead of building my track he bought a plane ticket back to his home country. So much for Hasse Nilsson no matter how good a track he builds. :wave:

 

Great looking track Butch :good:


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:30 AM

Rick, I just thought of something else. A Hillclimb is made to go up against a wall, so you could probably make it a little wider or just have more space on the drivers side.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:07 PM

Only ever driven on a hillclimb once and at first was weird track... But loved the layout within a few minutes!! Certainly looks a good design for space concerns .

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:22 PM

Ooops...  Note to self: Never mention "that guy" to Rick.  :D

 

 I'm a 1/24 scale guy that really only likes vintage cars from the "dawn of time" to the early 1970's with "clear plastic" bodies

 

Me, too.  And for the benefit of those among us who have not had the wonderful experience of trying to explain their preference for "glue" and closed cell tires to most other "home track" owners, be forewarned; to the 1/32 scale crowd you are an incorrigible reprobate beyond all hope of redemption.  :shok:


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:01 PM

.....you are an incorrigible reprobate beyond all hope of redemption.  :shok:


That's me!  :laugh2:


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

This activity might save someone. :clapping:

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:15 PM

The first response I received was from Brian Crosby at Steve Ogilvie Custom Tracks. A drawing is on the way but hasn't showed up yet.

 

Here's the first drawing of the track. It's from Gary Gerding Fast Tracks:

 

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I'm also going to need a timing system and perhaps a power supply if mine is not adequate. Here's the power supply I already have:

 

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That's where things stand so far.....

 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:26 PM

Nice footprint , wouldn't mind that sitting at home :)

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:55 PM

Looks nice!

 

Just a suggestion:

 

Given our advancing age, and the difficulties of getting "down" to turn marshall cars, perhaps the bits that are currently underneath should be on top? That way the major "coming-off" points, which would be the finger and the kink, would be easy to get to, and it may provide a bit of nice visual appeal with a bit of elevation change going up into the finger, and then down into the donut.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:55 PM

I'm going to ask a real dumb question. Which is the finger and which is the kink?


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:33 PM

Going counterclockwise along the top straightaway, the bank comes first, then the Deadman,the Finger, the Link, the Donut and the Lead-on,before going firm the main straightaway again.

At least, those are the names of the turns as I learned them for a Hillclimb or Grandstand track.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 12:48 AM

Rick, I was present when Gary Gerding brought and assembled Greg Gilbert's new track in Robertsdale, Alabama.

Assembly was very very smooth, trouble free.  I helped with the wiring. The finished product was absolutely perfect.  Greg was 100% happy. 

I had Gary Gerding rewire my 2 tracks and do some other things at my place last summer he was awesome, but because he's so awesome he is also very busy. Gary is a very nice guy and a wealth of knowledge



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:55 AM

"I'm also going to need a timing system ..."

My LapMaster system in the 4-lane version would suit your needs very well.
You can learn much more about the system from www.lapmaster.dk

As it happends, due to problems with the mail service, I shipped a 4-lane system wired for deadstrip attachment to the same custommer twice.
I can offer you this extra system which is already in the US at a good price.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

I received a track drawing from Brian at Ogilvie Custom Tracks:

 

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Compare it to Gary Gerding's drawing:

 

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I like the way Gary pushed the "finger" under the "bank" slightly to increase the length of the straights leading into and out of the "finger".


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:31 PM

"I like the way Gary pushed the "finger" under the "bank"......."

 

 

Definitely, as long as you can marshal cars in the area of the "overlap".

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:38 PM

I'm thinking it will be OK to reach the cars especially since it's only 4 lanes wide. Fingers crossed :laugh2:

 

I'll probably be the only one on the track anyway! I haven't found any other vintage crazies in the part of Oregon.........


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:40 PM

I still think if the bank was underneath and the finger on top it would be a lot easier.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 03:44 PM

It would Dennis but I really want to see the cars flying around that big (relatively speaking :laugh2: ) banked turn :D

 

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

Rick,

 

"I like the way Gary pushed the "finger" under the "bank"......."

 

I note also that the finger turn is a sharper radius, and the associated straights are necessarily shorter.

 

As a fellow vintage 1/24 scale guy who would also specify a big (relatively speaking) banked turn so I could see the cars flying around, I can tell you flatly that you will appreciate every inch of larger radius finger turn you can get.

 

You will be giving Brian at Ogilvie a chance to fix that, yes?



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

You will be giving Brian at Ogilvie a chance to fix that, yes?


Hi Steve,
 

No, it didn't work out with Brian at Ogilvie. I'm sure their tracks are fantastic but their current delivery and setup prices are, well, quite high....like almost twice the cost of the track itself. That and they are the farthest distance from my Oregon home made a track from them quite pricey. They would send me a box of parts to put together myself for $2000.00 in shipping but that's not what I want.

 

Anyone wanting a track with a full service delivery and installation should realize that the Ogilvie website's ordering information is incorrect and you should contact them for their current pricing.

 

The good news is I've sent a 25% deposit to Gary Gerding and he plans to have my track finished, delivered and installed in September.

 

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The other 2 builder, Cruzin' Bob and Ed & Karol Tunkel did not respond to my email or USPS Priority Mail requests.

 

So, here's the "Build Sheet" or "wish list" Gary will be building my track too....THANKS GARY!

 

Track Build Sheet

 

1. Track must fit within this envelope:

 

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2. Track as laid out by Gary Gerding…NICE!

 

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3. 4-lane track

 

4. Lane spacing 4 1/2”

 

5. Outer lane to wall spacing 5 1/2”

 

6. Control panel to be the “flush” style recessed into vertical wall:

 

ControlPanel-1.jpg

 

7. Track surface to be painted light grey. Track walls to be painted white:

 

PaintColors-1.jpg

 

8. Track to be completely enclosed by “walls” both on the outside and inside

 

9. Lane colors should be like the track you built Greg Gilbert. Outside lane to inside lane, red, blue, orange and black:

 

LaneColors.jpg

 

10. Track supports painted light grey like the track surface: This track is going into my homes carpeted living room-dining room. To me it will be a work of art and I would like for no bare wood to show:

 

paintedtracksupports-1.jpg

 

 

11. Track is to be delivered, setup and made race ready including PC based timing system at customer’s expense

 

12. Lap counting/timing system software by Trackmate and software loaded into PC by builder at customer’s expense. I would like to keep the copy of the Trackmate software CD

 

13. PC, flat screen monitor, keyboard and mouse to be supplied by builder at customer’s expense

 

14. Track to be wired to customer supplied power supply.

 

Now I wait.................


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

Can't wait Rick!!! :D that is gonna be one sweet circuit to cruise all your pro car and other vintage builds around !

Look forward to the pictures of the finished/installed track ,plus your track test results !!

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:55 PM

Rick,

 

Only $29.95... (plus S&H)...

 

And the S&H is a killer. :shok:

 

I get it :laugh2:

 

Waddia gonna do?  It's a competitiive world.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:33 PM

Are you going with standard or steel braid?


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:49 PM

".....and get the second Widget free, just pay separate shipping and handling". :laugh2:

 

Scott, you've got me there. I ASSumed it would be the standard braid which I believe is silver plated copper. That's what I used on my previous home track that I built. I also ASSumed that the steel braid was used if you wanted to run cars with magnets.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:26 AM

I priced the steel braid when I built my track just in case I ever did want to run magnets but it was way more expensive than the copper braid I found. I went with copper. I also used the 3M glue tape to put it down. It works great, much cleaner to put down and haven't had any problems with it.

 

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