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[TSR]

Did the serious inline racers ever use 64P ?

 

Or even was there such a thing ?

 

Actually, the Brits were already far advanced in this regard, as there were plenty of 64-pitch pinions and crown gears from the very first days of slot car racing in early 1958, as MRRC had such available.

In the USA, only Weldun had 64-pitch stuff (and very high quality at that) but mostly for sidewinder use. So while Brits (the ones would could afford the price) had little trouble to find gears for the SS81-91-101 motors, Americans were mostly left in the dust and the Globes were really never geared correctly to show their mettle. I do not believe a pro on the national level ever used inline 64P gears until the advent of the angle-winder. And of course when both Champion and Mura showed up with their American made motors and once sorted out (meaning, after comm welding, arm tying and larger brushes made them reliable), there was no more space for even the SS101...

The only good way to render an SS101 usable would be to either do what I did (half-drill a pinion and solder it to the 1/8" shaft) or have the armature diameter reduced, always a difficult thing to do without precision grinding...

But they do make nice conversation pieces.

[SlotStox#53]

Mine runs like a raped ape...

Nice technical terminology !!

[Gator Bob]

IIRC, his semi-heyday was still in the inline era.

 

Did the serious inline racers ever use 64P ?

 

Or even was there such a thing ?

 

When I  first met him at the hobby shop,  I eventually went to work at, it was the advent of anglewinders and he seemed pretty far removed

from competitive slot racing.

 

It was a long time ago (what, like 49 years) that I saw the 'older guys' racing Globe motors at Grand Prix Raceway in NJ ... IIRC they were running the Globe SW #1230 chassis'. $14.95 for the motor and $7.95 for the chassis, The store assembled RTRs in the case cost about as much as my loaded Sting Ray bike.

 

There was a local NJ three track series. I think Teaneck NJ was another one the schedule... Somewhere along the way I saw one of the race reports in an old magazine. 

 

GP Raceway would probably have been the home/development track of D&H Electronics Harold Irving.   

[Gator Bob]

 

Actually, the Brits were already far advanced in this regard, as there were plenty of 64-pitch pinions and crown gears from the very first days of slot car racing in early 1958, as MRRC had such available.

In the USA, only Weldun had 64-pitch stuff (and very high quality at that) but mostly for sidewinder use. So while Brits (the ones would could afford the price) had little trouble to find gears for the SS81-91-101 motors, Americans were mostly left in the dust and the Globes were really never geared correctly to show their mettle. I do not believe a pro on the national level ever used inline 64P gears until the advent of the angle-winder. And of course when both Champion and Mura showed up with their American made motors and once sorted out (meaning, after comm welding, arm tying and larger brushes made them reliable), there was no more space for even the SS101...

The only good way to render an SS101 usable would be to either do what I did (half-drill a pinion and solder it to the 1/8" shaft) or have the armature diameter reduced, always a difficult thing to do without precision grinding...

But they do make nice conversation pieces.

Dokk, weren't the MMRC gears beveled sets?

I would guess that if Weldun was in business in 1964 that them 'boys' were running them with the Globe sidewinders.

[TSR]

Yes, the MRRC were beveled and if you know anything about gears, they are the ideal setup for inline configuration. Assuming of course that they are well made and lined up properly!

Weldun did not have 64P crowns, only 64p pinions and spurs.

[Gator Bob]

Yes, the MRRC were beveled and if you know anything about gears, they are the ideal setup for inline configuration. Assuming of course that they are well made and lined up properly!

Weldun did not have 64P crowns, only 64p pinions and spurs.

 

Dokk, you gotta read my stuff before replying.

[TSR]

I was not replying only to you...

[don.siegel]

Actually, from the mid-60s, the Brits mostly ran the 72 pitch Taylormade gears, and these are wonderful! Just about every "serious" car I've found on ebay UK has these gears, starting with inline and then going to sidewinder... they made them for both .078 and 3/32 motor shafts....

 

And yes, they're very hard to find these days, especially the pinions!

 

The SS101 was a great motor, but I think it just didn't have the top end of the best rewinds... I probably geared it about 10-30 at the time, and I don't remember that being a major problem - but of course, I was nowhere near being a pro!

 

Don

[SlotStox#53]

I second that about the Taylormade gears Don!!
Dad had some of them still on his cars in both inline and angle, even made up some cars with one's out of the spares box ,beautiful gears.

Just had to set the mesh right otherwise the pinion would get eaten up pretty quick!! They go perfectly on a nice potent older 16d or mura

[TSR]

The Taylormade succeeded to the MRRC in the UK. The MRRC had been distributed in the USA by Bob Coogan, the brother of the famous actor Jackie, and were more common here. But the Taylormade never made it to the USA until the advent of the anglewinder design, when some of the angled gears were imported on the East Coast, but I do not know who brought them in. Bob Emott may know. They were beautifully made. About a year ago, the LASCM was able to acquire some that will be used for restoring older pro racing cars.

[SlotStox#53]

Some very lucky and deserving Pro cars to have those gears, look forward to seeing the restored cars in all their glory

[zipper]

I ruined some of those - really heavy stuff! But if the motor got a little loose  - that's it. We had only those angled ones.

[Gator Bob]

Questions

 

Can someone post a picture of the Talormade gears?

Are they the same as the MMRC sets?

 

I found a 6 tooth 3/32 gear on hand, can anyone confirm the pitch of these old Kemtron pinions?

 

[zipper]

This might be a TM.

[SlotStox#53]

Yep Zipper they are the Taylormade gears , those anglewinder ones were beautiful

[zipper]

Probably have one left, suffered poor blighter...

[Gator Bob]

This might be a TM.

scratch_chassis33_sml.jpg

 

Team Champion had a 72 pitch steel angled spur in only one tooth count but IIRC without digging they were undercut on the bigger side of the spur.