71 replies to this topic

[Paul Jurczyszyn]

Thanks guys, I'm not a full time racer, I got the build brass side own but I'm not good enough to notice any advantage in small body mods every one beets me ny way but the rue are good to know.
Paul

[Tim Neja]

Looks like the real car had some pretty BIG ridges!!

[Dave Crevie]

It still sounds like the whole subject of this thread has been missed. The proper process for

homologation of the bodies was not followed. If that was done, there would be no need for a

long discussion. Most lexan slot car bodies do not closely follow the real car, in length, width

or height.

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As to the Bryant Ti-22, after the flip with Jacky Oliver driving Peter tried all sorts of fins and wings.

He showed me pictures of various mock-ups taken in the shops. Some with full length fences, even

one with a splitter ( diaplane). The fins on the front fenders are called spill dikes. They are used to

prevent air being scooped up by the nose from spilling over the sides of the fenders and down the

sides of the car. Most racing teams used them at some time or another.

[TSR]

Dave,

with all due respect, you are the one missing the point.

[tonyp]

The funny thing is when the TI-22's first came out they used to launch and were in favor by the jet set for maybe 2 weeks.  Did not work as good as the Walters Mclaren on the cars of that period.

[gascarnut]

 

Looks like the real car had some pretty BIG ridges!!

 

In 1970, yes, but the 1969 car was clean up front:

 

 

NOTE TO ALL:

 

I'm not saying anything about the legality or not of the TS body for IRRA, that's their decision, especially if the revision has not been submitted.

 

All I know is that the extra ridge on the TS body helps me run a body more than once, and that saves me time and money. (I still crash a lot......  , especially into other cars!)

[MantaRay]

Kool Aid comes in many flavors. I like Black Cherry myself......

[Dave Crevie]

Exactly. There was always a problem with the front end "going light". 

 

Too bad nothing exists of that car, a fact Peter regretted until his death. Luckily I

was able to get a few things, including some engineering drawings, from him. There

was a lot of innovation in that car.

[TSR]

Yes there was, and the ONLY reason why the car was not as successful as the Macs was simply a question of lack of money and that Peter Bryant was virtually on his own.

In the meantime, whatever IRRA decides, I still believe that both "main" retro organizations missed their chance to establish proper "body control" discipline, and guess what, both are now paying the price for it, that of endless arguments about what is legal, what is not and why some bodies are legal that really should not while others are not and should.

Never mind, your problem now. Good luck to all.

[tonyp]

Ray with vodka?

[MantaRay]

Only with cheap vodka...

[tonyp]

Cheaper the better.

[MantaRay]

this is good in a straight up Martini...Not Kool Aid.....And I'm sure Tony would enjoy an excellent cigar....

 

 

[Mike Patterson]

A little off-topic:

 

Why not limit the number of Ti22 bodies to TWO from each manufacturer, one long, and one short.

 

This is getting ridiculous.

[Gator Bob]

Or stop at 22, 22s

[Mad Mexican]

Wait a minute Amigos
I just heard that a certain mfg. Will be issuing a Jimmy Durante style front nose for the TI22 LOL!

Adios Amigos

 

[Rick]

Was there ever a NN version actually raced in CanAM or is this a melting of different years cars? It seems every picture just shows a square nose body...............

[TSR]

Rick,

effectively there was ever a single car running. In 1969, it did not receive ANY of the implements seen on some of these short, long medium whatever bodies.

In 1969, Lancer did two slightly different models, then M.A.C. made one in 1970 of the 1969 car, and Kirby-Associated made another, still of the 1969 car.
 

As far as I am concerned, only exacting replicas of those four should ever have been allowed by any so-called "retro" organizations.

Now you have a wagon full of them, congratulations, deal with it.

[Noose]

The narrow nose was accepted way back when with the first JK Ti22 and the Kirby as it had a narrower nose when it first appeared "back in the day".

[The Number of]

This is getting ridiculous.

 

 

  Agreed,Vodka for everyone!

[JimF]

A couple things occur to me. One is that the pic of the #22 car shown in this thread looks like it has a small bead running across the top of the fender. Maybe not, but it does look thataway. Second, the pic shown of the #22 which would certainly justify the legality on the O/S TI-22R, is a pic of a 1970 car. I have not seen a pic of a 1969 car with the front vanes. (Then again.......maybe I looked in all the wrong places???)

 

IAC......................The IRRA rules state the following......

 

All approved Can-Am bodies are listed in the

“Approved Body Lists” section. All bodies must

be representative of pre-1970 Can-Am /USRRC

cars.

 

 

So........????

 

IMO, the little bead on the T/S version is about maybe .015".......it is not enough to make any difference. I'd really hesitate to call this a side dam given its minimal size. I talked about this with Victor some time ago and he said that the little rib or bead was placed on both the TI-22 and McLaren to reduce the tendency of those bodies to crack through the fender wells.

 

So..........This is probably a difference that makes no difference. Saying that you didn't know about the changes, or hadn't heard anything, or had never seen one of these seems maybe like you didn't care all that much about approving these one way or another.

[Gator Bob]

Was there ever a NN version actually raced in CanAM or is this a melting of different years cars? It seems every picture just shows a square nose body...............

 

In post #25 ...

If the 'spill dams' are straight, (which would only make sense) ... it is a narrow nose.

 

 

 I talked about this with Victor some time ago and he said that the little rib or bead was placed on both the TI-22 and McLaren to reduce the tendency of those bodies to crack through the fender wells.

 

 

Yup, what Dennis said too. That is where the rib needs to be.

IMO, those O/S with rib suck ...are... crack up city over the front wells. Even braced up.

[Rick]

I think it was pretty well proven, a while back, the TI22R was a 1970 body, but it made it thru the process. No use in crying over spilt milk now. I was just curious if there was ever really a narrow nose car that actually raced for real? because it seems that every picture ever posted was a squared off front end......................

[JimF]

I think it was pretty well proven, a while back, the TI22R was a 1970 body, but it made it thru the process. No use in crying over spilt milk now. I was just curious if there was ever really a narrow nose car that actually raced for real? because it seems that every picture ever posted was a squared off front end......................

 

Yup. Not really crying over the milk as much as observing that apparently different sets of leeway standards seem to be in play here.

 

For instance, it's sorta hard to say that "the rules are the rules" when..................

 

• The narrow nose cars probably never raced for real yet almost all of the approved long nose "Kirby" clones are narrow nose configuration.
• The TS long nose is disallowed seemingly due to a technicality that would make no difference at all except in longevity of the body.
• The rules say prior to 1970 yet a 1970 car is allowed and it happens that in this case, the difference probably really does matter.

So.....Perhaps all animals are equal......but some are more equal than others.

[Gator Bob]

I think it was pretty well proven, a while back, the TI22R was a 1970 body, but it made it thru the process. No use in crying over spilt milk now. I was just curious if there was ever really a narrow nose car that actually raced for real? because it seems that every picture ever posted was a squared off front end......................

Rick did you miss this?

 

In post #25 ...

If the 'spill dams' are straight, (which would only make sense) ... it is a narrow nose. (the real car that is)