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[TSR]

I think it was pretty well proven, a while back, the TI22R was a 1970 body, but it made it thru the process. No use in crying over spilt milk now. I was just curious if there was ever really a narrow nose car that actually raced for real? because it seems that every picture ever posted was a squared off front end....

 

Both the 1969 car and the 1970 car, the only two ever built, had the front of their bodies in plan view, tapering about 6" inside from the top center of the front fender. There was only one set of body molds ever made by Autocoast, which was a company building fiberglass boats.

So if by "narrow nose", you mean a tapered nose like on the Kirby-Associated body of any that also taper in, yes, they raced like that because that was the only configuration of the real cars.

[MSwiss]

This is about the best pic I could easily that shows how the front of the body tapers in.

 

Interestingly enough, when you Google "Ti22" and click on images, most are Retro slot car bodies,

including my Noose painted concours podium (?) and 4th place R4/2 one.

 

[Gator Bob]

See... I told ya so.  

[TSR]

This is about the best pic that shows the front of the body tapering in.

 

Mike, great pic of Jackie in 1970. The "Mornin' Afta" people never paid their sponsorship bill, putting the whole team in financial distress...

 

Here is a plan view of the 1970 car in the Norris colors, after Peter Bryant was let go:

 

 

This shows the true lines of the car and it is quite obvious that the slot car bodies are a bit off, all of them.

 

 

[tonyp]

The real car from Mikes picture looks a lot more dished between the fenders than any of the slot ones. I remember seeing one that PVA had that was really low between the front and rear fenders and it went straight up the bank at Nutley. Of course I could be having a flashback on what that body actually looked like.   

[redbackspyder]

Note to Jim and Dennis: Aren't you glad that you race in a series that is more open-minded when it comes to interpretation of the rules?  
 
Let the IRRA™ approve or deny any bodies they want, I am sure TrueScale probably will not lose any sleep over it, and that is why the SCRRA can approve a body within a couple of minutes...
 
I really am sorry that certain people can not seem to get those great looking TrueScale bodies... Victor always seems to help me when I ask, guess it's the way you ask someone...

[gascarnut]

Note to Mill:
 
I am glad to run in any series where I know upfront what the rules are, and where they are evenly and consistently applied.
 
In this case if the modifications to the TrueScale body have not been submitted to IRRA™ for their approval, then I am fine that it is not approved. Those are the IRRA™ rules and I have raced and had fun under those rules as much as under any other set of rules.
 
This is not a thread for IRRA™ vs anyone, let's not start that now, it will backfire as it always does.
 
None of the rule sets are ever exactly what we might want, and none of them are perfectly consistent in their application and you know that very well.

[Samiam]

The "Box" must be full.
 
Someone change the litter.

[MSwiss]

I really am sorry that certain people can not seem to get those great looking Truescale bodies... Victor always seems to help me when I ask,  guess it's the way you ask someone....

Mill,

Congratulations on pegging the BS meter for the umpteenth time.
 
The first time you ever contacted me was looking for TrueScale bodies because you couldn't get what you were looking for from BP.
 
So much for, "Victor always seems to help me when I ask".
 
The truth is TrueScale is a part time manufacturer with a history of spotty delivery, including pulling his bodies from his website when he needs to take a break/"vacation".

[Noose]

Thank you, Dennis. You got  the whole purpose of this post. All of these other comments are not meaningful here at all.
 
For those that need to have an understanding of the bodies that have been approved, the majority of the list was carrier over from the old East Coast Retro rules where we were able to find any bodies at all at the time. Many were replicas of those back in the period as the original D3 rules intended. New ones were added that may not have met that criteria but were readily available and met the specs in place at that time. As time has gone on the specs and the rules have tightened whereas a maximum length for example has been added and a 30 day period before the body an be used. Not everyone only plays in one sandbox so the attempt is to make sure they can be made available to folks to use in time for regional or national event. There is an attempt yet today to limit aero on any new submissions as well as dimensional specifications.
 
I am also thankful that there are people making bodies for everyone to gripe about. 
 
Now that said this thread should probably be closed but I won't do it yet so some can understand the thought process currently used.

[Bernie]

Spot on, Joe.

[Duffy]

These discussions so often end up in tedious "Stand-Down" - I'm happy to see this clear framing of the important points presented and resolved in these last several posts. Thanks Joe, Dennis, and Mill.

 

Duf

[John Gorski]

Time for Parma to make one of these!

[redbackspyder]

Mill,

Congratulations on pegging the BS meter for the umpteenth time.
 
The first time you ever contacted me was looking for TrueScale bodies because you couldn't get what you were looking for from BP.
 
So much for "Victor always seems to help me when I ask".
 
The truth is TrueScale is a part-time manufacturer with a history of spotty delivery, including pulling his bodies from his website when he needs to take a break/"vacation".

I did not know Victor is part time, and you must know his business better than me... But I have not had a problem for the last two years getting a body from TrueScale... By the way , Mike, have you noticed the bodies I run... TrueScale, most all the time, or a Herschmann... If you need a particular one, let me know.

[redbackspyder]

Joe, just curious, why the 30 day wait period?? In today's world, if a body was approved, why does it need a cooling-off period? Just curious.

[MSwiss]

Note to Jim and Dennis: Aren't you glad that you race in a series that is more open-minded when it comes to interpretation of the rules?  
 
Let the IRRA™ approve or deny any bodies they want, I am sure TrueScale probably will not lose any sleep over it, and that is why the SCRRA can approve a body within a couple of minutes... 
 
I really am sorry that certain people can not seem to get those great looking TrueScale bodies... Victor always seems to help me when I ask, guess it's the way you ask someone...

While I always say "please" when I order my food at MacDonald's, it's by my choice. It's not required.
 
All that is required is having sufficient legal tender to pay for it.
 
Being polite or exceptionally polite is an option the consumer can decide to exercise... or not.
 
IMO, purchasing a slot car body shouldn't be any different.
 

I did not know Victor is part time, and you must know his business better than me...   But I have not had a problem for the last two years getting a body from TrueScale...  By the way , Mike,  have you noticed the bodies I run... TrueScale , most all the time, or a Herschmann... If you need a particular one, let me know.

Thanks for amending your statement to reflect a more realistic portrait of Truescale body availability, vs the unfactual one you made in the top quote, made for dramatic effect. 
 
As far as the brand of bodies that are used by Mill Conroy Racing, IIRC, the Parma Matra is also part of that stable.
 

Joe, just curious, why the 30 day wait period?? In today's world, if a body was approved, why does it need a cooling-off period? Just curious.

Very obvious. So everyone has a fair chance to purchase and use a body at "XYZ" race.

[John Streisguth]

TrueScale bodies are in the same vein as Falcon 2 motors IMO... if you know the right place to go, you may get one. But they are not readily available through a lot of distribution channels. 

 

Key word: readily available.

 

When you're playing in one little sandbox, the view is a lot different than when you have the perspective from at least a dozen or more.

[MSwiss]

I was going to leave this alone but Joe got the "angry E-mail" from Victor at TrueScale.
 
These are some recent PMs I received and got permission to reprint from the author.
 
Good job... keeping Mill Conroy honest.
 
What you said about TrueScale is dead on.
 
I ordered a body on the website, paid PayPal instantly, he advertised 2-3 business days to ship, 7 business days later I had to prompt him to ship...
 
Mill is totally talkin out his rear again.

Correction: (I'm home now looking at my emails)
 
Ordered 14 July, asked for status on 27 July, and was told it would be mailed on the 29th.
 
I translate that into "Thanks for reminding me, I'll start working on it now"
 
Be my guest. (to print these PMs)
 
I'm just like you, in the sense, I call a duck a duck. My only agenda is the truth.
 
Even if he sent it slow and cheap on Monday, it should arrive today about 2 PM. If it doesn't, that's even worse.
 
If the website said 10 to 20 business days to ship, I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever.
 
Body... not yet.

[Noose]

He wrote me not call me claiming slander because I said in here his bodies aren't available.

[TrueScale]

Mike, please know that there was no phone call from me to Noose. And certainly no anger on my part!
 
Just some emails over if he received his last couple orders because he wrote that he can't get bodies from me here on this topic.
 
Anyhow this is off topic but, I don't deny the long ridiculous delays in orders. It's my fault! I'll keep on trying. 
 
I wish I could sell to distributors so shops can sell these bodies but there's no way I can make enough. An order for 100 would take me about three Saturdays to complete.
 
Anyhow apologies to all for this topic and the problems or frustration I've caused.

[MSwiss]

He wrote me not call me claiming slander because I said in here his bodies aren't available

 

Mike, please know that there was no phone call from me to Noose. And certainly no anger on my part!
 
Just some emails over if he received his last couple orders because he wrote that he can't get bodies from me here on this topic.
 
Anyhow this is off topic but, I don't deny the long ridiculous delays in orders. It's my fault! I'll keep on trying. 
 
I wish I could sell to distributors so shops can sell these bodies but there's no way I can make enough. An order for 100 would take me about three Saturdays to complete.
 
Anyhow apologies to all! for this topic and the problems or frustration I've caused.

 
I edited my post to reflect an email, not a call.
 
IMO, not very important what type of angry correspondence it was.
 
Of course Victor pulls wonderful bodies.
 
But we can't approve what isn't submitted or request any changes we think is required.
 
I think this thread has run its course with the preceding post by Victor.

[Cheater]

I agree.