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[redbackspyder]

Open the raceway Mills--- I'll come race there too!!! At least--if you'll LISTEN to your customers, you may very well have a chance to not only survive, but thrive!! MANY business's fail because the owner is too busy with the wrong agenda, self promotion works best--because even IF the manufacturer's get involved, slot racing IS a LOCAL industry. Wherever you open your shop--you'll be drawing the bulk of your customer's from a 20 mile radius. I don't think national promo's are going to help you there!!! I would be thinking about both forms of racing-- a smaller 1/32 style routed track for the plastic car crowd---and the larger hill climbs and flat tracks for the 1/24 crowd. I would NOT necessarily put in a King track, unless it was older flatter style. The really FAST cars are all being run by sponsored drivers or people buying products direct from the manufacturer, so they will not help pay for your electric bill, let alone help make you profitable.
The GROWING segment of slot cars is Classic plastic cars -- and D3 style retro racing-- along with the simple Flexi type cars. Then the racer's will come and look into faster cars-- but I wouldn't plan on starting there.
Then--- PROMOTE around the race track--- adds in the Model Car Magazine for plastic cars etc. They will attract attention from the people you're trying to reach. The OTHG club in LA has 50 active members and a lot more that come around to see what we are up to. REAL looking cars on a racetrack are cool too!!
FWIW
Tim

Tim, thanks for your thoughts, and I am going to go through with my plans hopefully, but you would not believe the comments that I heard. The D3 guys at BP are great, and the San Diego guys are what makes the racing fun. What I rekindled at the Legends race really hit home to me why I liked to race in the 60's with the added benefit that now everyone is sharing information. Ask Doug or Paul what they are doing, ask Mike Boemker and he will show you what is up. The difference today is markedly better than the win at any cost that we had in the golden age. Maybe we all wised up over the years, and found that with now only one track left in the LA metropolitan area it is better to support those people that are keeping it alive. I have had 3 successful businesses, and all of them were customer service savvy. If you do not give your customers what they need, they will look elsewhere. And, MadMax, there is a compromise between profit and reasonability. Tim is right when it comes to LOCAL interests. A national program has really never worked, and slot racing is basically a local item. Just check out the wing car association. 200 members total for the USRA. Are you kidding? I am not knocking wing racing, all has it's place in the hobby, but come on, how strong is any organization if it only has 200 members? No wonder banks would laugh at you wanting to start a business. Customer Service is the key to any business surviving, and if scrapbooking can make it for an hour on QVC, then slot racing can survive if properly done. Just my opinion, I could be wrong

[redbackspyder]

"a smaller 1/32 style routed track for the plastic car crowd"

Everytime I read lines like this one my skin crawls.Small cars do not need to be sent to a small track.People have small tracks at home and will not pay to run on one even if it is wood.Just because the track is small that does not mean the cars will work any better.The San Diego hillclimb is as small as the track needs to be.
Stop treating 1/32 scale like it's for kids and it may be better recieved.Kids are not the ones buying the cars anyway.I always bring at least six plastic cars with me when I go tto Mike G's track and I'll be happy to show anyone that is interested how to set them up.I plan on going there on the next Saturday race and I'll have a good selection with me to run after the main races are over.

Mike, I agree with you. That is why I am always asking you about your cars, because I too want to make mine competitive and the fact they look far better than most 1/24 cars is a bonus. Takes just as much skill to make them fast, and there is not as much in the way of over the counter parts to tune. Just as your brass pans to tune the chassis, why would you have to relegate 1/32 cars to a small track?? The new Hypersport 32 chassis proves that 1/32 cars on large tracks work well, not to mention 1/32 rockets like the ones that you bring to Mike G's.

[The Bugman]

Mike, I agree with you. That is why I am always asking you about your cars, because I too want to make mine competitive and the fact they look far better than most 1/24 cars is a bonus. Takes just as much skill to make them fast, and there is not as much in the way of over the counter parts to tune. Just as your brass pans to tune the chassis, why would you have to relegate 1/32 cars to a small track?? The new Hypersport 32 chassis proves that 1/32 cars on large tracks work well, not to mention 1/32 rockets like the ones that you bring to Mike G's.

mill,theres alot of us local guys that would like to see another track in the LA/OC area again,dont get me wrong, i enjoy BPR and what theyve got going,,but i too think theres enuff room for another track in THE AREA,
i'd support your business venture,,,,,,,,,
comments from justa B racer,,,,,

[Tim Neja]

"a smaller 1/32 style routed track for the plastic car crowd"

"Everytime I read lines like this one my skin crawls.Small cars do not need to be sent to a small track.People have small tracks at home and will not pay to run on one even if it is wood.Just because the track is small that does not mean the cars will work any better.The San Diego hillclimb is as small as the track needs to be.
Stop treating 1/32 scale like it's for kids and it may be better recieved.Kids are not the ones buying the cars anyway.I always bring at least six plastic cars with me when I go tto Mike G's track and I'll be happy to show anyone that is interested how to set them up.I plan on going there on the next Saturday race and I'll have a good selection with me to run after the main races are over."

While I like Mike and his fast 1/32 cars a lot-- he's not in tune with what's going on in 1/32. People ARE paying to race on small plastic tracks all over LA and the Valley. It's $10 in the kitty for everyone that shows up to a OTHG race. And the LOVE routed tracks, but NOT big ones. Or they'd be racing at BPR--Chris would let them bring their one races if they wanted to. And I've never seen Mike out with the OTHG Club. I've also never seen a lot of 1/32 cars tuned up like his--so he's a one man band at this point, at least where I've been. And there's no reason they can't be raced on the bigger tracks if you want to!!! But MOST people racing these more scale cars--PREFER the more scale looking tracks to go along with it!! "Skin Crawl"????? WHY??? The other tracks ALREADY exist. What has NOT been done commercially is what IS WORKING in the 1/32 world. More SCALE tracks to go with the scale cars. Chris at BP tried to do a nice race track for 1/32 cars--and it FAILED> because it was a RACE TRACK first, not a SCALE track. They are NOT CHILDREN'S TOYS--- most of these scale guys take great care of their cars, and they are NOT made for children. But the smaller SCALE tracks is where they belong for what they want them to do--LOOK like race cars, be capable of racing, but they are NOT racing slot cars. It's one of the reason's this is growing as a seperate segment to commercial slot racing tracks. We LIKE the scenery and cool looking race tracks to go with our little scale cars. When I want to really RACE slot cars, I go to BPR or SD!!
It's just the difference in what some people are looking for-- and it's not that either is bad--but they don't need to be thrown together either.
FWIW
TIm

[68Caddy]

Tim & Mike
You both are right, but did we lost track or something here?
Title of this tread is let me see...Why did slot car racing fade so quickly in popularity in 1967-68?
So are we really answering the question?
Common I really like both of you, but are we of track?


Nesta aka 68Caddy

[stumbley]

Guys, the answer is what Jim Hunnicutt has been trying to tell you all along—what killed slot tracks in the '60's and what's keeping attendance at commercial tracks down at present is a disconnect between what most (note that I didn't say ALL) raceway owners THINK they're selling and what raceway customers THINK they're buying. Owners are selling racing; customers are buying FUN. For most "racers", it's the competition that gets them going. For most customers—most who would never see a podium at a commercial 1/24 slot track—it's NOT FUN. Losing is NOT FUN. Spending a ton of money to LOSE is NOT FUN. Not knowing how to build a D3 car, not having the time to build a car, not knowing enough about soldering and electricity to tune a car is NOT FUN. What keeps guys coming back to the club racing that Tim Neja is talking about is the fact that the atmosphere and the competition is FUN. Most of us in the club don't have a hope of seeing a podium in anything but the team races we run (4 lanes = 4 teams; only ONE team "loses"), but we have FUN getting together every couple of weeks to shoot the breeze, sip a cold one, and try to get better at driving.

When I've gone to a 1/24 commercial track, I see guys who are h**l-bent on WINNING; who'll spend what it takes to get the perfect car, and who think that my lovingly detailed 1/32 cars are toys. Well, of course they are! But they're still fun to race, and our tracks—shortest is about 50+ feet, longest is 70+—may be smaller than a King, but they're still FUN. Once the "commercial" owner figures out that folks will keep coming to the track if they're having FUN, then attendance will go up. The guys who race at BP are having FUN because they're all pretty much in the same league, they have the skills to build and prepare the cars, and it's like "back in the day" for them...i.e., FUN.

Did I mention that the answer was FUN?

[Tim Neja]

By George---STAN'S THE WINNER!!!!!! And of course --he's RIGHT> if it's not fun---I'm NOT DOING IT!!! And Bella, figuring out how to better market slot racing now--will help answer the problems from the past!!! Leave the past in the past-- we want to move FORWARD!!! And Stan's right, I love to win, but most of all, I want to have FUN!! And bitching about motors, or trying to keep up with the latest motor CHANGES-- is NOT fun!!! That's why the D3 racing is going so well, SIMPLE little motors without all the thrashing, keeping the racing very EVEN with our cheapo motors, is keeping it FUN!!! Once it starts changing EVERY WEEK to go faster and faster--it's no longer FUN!! That's why I'm not racing Retro pro-- and that's one of the smallest retro class's we have-- is because they have not settled on a MOTOR---it's Puppy Dog's --then Big Dog's --then Big Dog 12 arms. It's not about going faster every week--it's about FUN!!!
FWIW
TIm

[idare2bdul]

By George---STAN'S THE WINNER!!!!!! And of course --he's RIGHT> if it's not fun---I'm NOT DOING IT!!! And Bella, figuring out how to better market slot racing now--will help answer the problems from the past!!! Leave the past in the past-- we want to move FORWARD!!! And Stan's right, I love to win, but most of all, I want to have FUN!! And bitching about motors, or trying to keep up with the latest motor CHANGES-- is NOT fun!!! That's why the D3 racing is going so well, SIMPLE little motors without all the thrashing, keeping the racing very EVEN with our cheapo motors, is keeping it FUN!!! Once it starts changing EVERY WEEK to go faster and faster--it's no longer FUN!! That's why I'm not racing Retro pro-- and that's one of the smallest retro class's we have-- is because they have not settled on a MOTOR---it's Puppy Dog's --then Big Dog's --then Big Dog 12 arms. It's not about going faster every week--it's about FUN!!!
FWIW
TIm

Tim, to be blunt you aren't being helpful There has only been one change in RetroPro. When the Falcon 5 and the TSRF morphed into the faster Falcon7 and the similar TSR motor they got faster. Since the new motors were almost as fast as the ProSLot 4002B American Arm motor we thought that the original concept of Retropro was to offer a slightly faster alternative. As a result the 4002C became legal for RetroPro. With 55 turns of 30 wire it's about 2 tenths faster than the Falcon7. That change was adopted in January 2008.

There has been no change in the Big Dog rules. The only thing that has changed is that ProSlot was kind enough to market an arm the right size for the motor and to offer an assembled motor for the guys that don't want to open up a motor themselves. Guys had been running cobalt 12's which were slightly too big an airgap and sometimes ran hot and lacked brakes. They are still legal if you want to run them.

Nor Cal is running the 4002C with no big problem so It's hard for me to see what your issue is. You have a 1/24th Eurosport car. One Eurosport motor would buy a lot of $41 RetroPro motors, like all 8 in the main!!!! So tell me again about how dumb we are for wanting to go fast.

What we give people in D3 is choice. Last time I checked that's the American way. It's hard for me to figure out why people go out of their way to knock a class that they haven't raced or even tried in practice.

Getting back to the topic of why racing died out.
My favorites are:
1. Most people sucked at it.
2. Have you looked at the Ebay treasures with terrible workmanship and lousy paint jobs. See point #1
3. And the real reason slots died out.....
PUBERTY!!!! We grew up, bought real cars and motorcycles and dated!

[KTM300]

"so he's a one man band at this point"
"he's not in tune with what's going on in 1/32"
"And I've never seen Mike out with the OTHG Club"

I think the rest of my band is in Europe where 1/32 scale is King!

I tend to think I'm ahead of the curve.

Plenty of plastic track racing going on outside the valley but I did go to Mr.Model Cars (Chris Chans) track for a day.Had a great time just to far for me.

Mill if you open a track I will race on whatever is inside your doors and I will buy all that I can from you online or in person because that's the way I am.
Good people that I know personally get my business first.

Nesta your right!This thread got off track a long time ago but I think a lot of viewers have enjoyed it.Maybe some good will come of it.By the way,the cars you post in the 1/32 scale section are awesome!You really are a great painter and sculptor.The lowered Camaro was killer.

[JimR]

1. Yep, this thread sure got off topic.
2. Check out Mainline Hobby outside of Philly for a successful 1/32 racing program. Yes, it is a full spectrum shop and yes, it's only 1/32 racing, but it seems to be working.

[Tim Neja]

Mike,
I don't have ANY Eurosport cars and never have??? You've confused your Tim's! And remember before you get your panties in a bunch--it's only an OPINION! I didn't race in Can AM or F-1 Retro D3 either --UNTIL they settled on the motor. While I was building and testing those cars, I bought 3 different motors to try and keep up with the changes!! I gave up until the new Falcon 7's and TSR motors arrived and STOPPED the changes. And if you notice, that's when the number of racers nearly doubled. I don't think it's a complete coincidence!!
It's no one else's opinion--and it's not life threatening--lighten up!!! --

like KTM above-- I NEVER said don't race 1/32 on big tracks, I only commented that MANY of the 1/32 racers LIKE to race on the tracks with scenery etc. It makes their cars look more SCALE, and most of the 1/32 racers are racing scale looking cars because that's what they like! And why not cater to that wish?? The bigger tracks are already available once the raceway if--(Mills) is built, so he loses nothing by having a different style track available. I don't understand why LIMITING the tracks to only commercial style currently in play will bring in the 1/32 racers when it's NOT doing it now? The largest club I know of is in LA--nearer BPR than any other--yet none of those guys have asked Chris if they can organize a race at BPR--and he certainly would let them. In SD, there are a lot of home tracks being built for 1/32 racers, and I'm not seeing those guys bring their cars down to Mike G's hillclimb track in El Cajon? Or maybe I've missed them holding those races, but so far, I've seen the Puppy Dog Champions, JK Open wheel class, and now, we'll have D3 Can Am cars to run once everyone gets theirs built!! So it's still 1/24 cars growing on a commercial style of track, even though there are LOT'S of 1/32 cars running in SD county.
FWIW
TIm

[Tim Neja]

"I tend to think I'm ahead of the curve."

And that's great Mike!!! But that certainly doesn't mean the way to bring 1/32 racers down to a commercial track is doing something different than they are already enjoying? I would think you would like to "listen to your customer" base, and provide the things they like. Like a routed track WITH scenery and buildings to allow them to continue SCALE RACING. I just observed that nearly all the tracks that are very popular with the OTHG club---are built smaller, because the cars are slower, and WITH scenery! In fact, in order to make their cars handle better, then turn the POWER DOWN TO RACE!!! Oh my GOD!!! Can you IMAGINE THAT??? The racers at BPR would FAINT!! Less speed to race with?? What would the motor gods think? But it's what is popular in 1/32 in SoCal. They want to race SCALE looking cars, not slot cars. They race mostly for FUN, and part of that enjoyment is the LOOK to the cars and race track. That's why they are not racing their 1/32 at BPR style tracks.
IMHO!!!
Tim

And I guess if you're not interested in your current customer base, keeping this on track re: why slot racing died in the 60's-- lot's of competition from home based VIDEO games! Brought racing into your living room, and various forms of entertainment stopped people from building and racing. Instant gratification from picking up a "game controller"!
T

[redbackspyder]

"I tend to think I'm ahead of the curve."

And that's great Mike!!! But that certainly doesn't mean the way to bring 1/32 racers down to a commercial track is doing something different than they are already enjoying? I would think you would like to "listen to your customer" base, and provide the things they like. Like a routed track WITH scenery and buildings to allow them to continue SCALE RACING. I just observed that nearly all the tracks that are very popular with the OTHG club---are built smaller, because the cars are slower, and WITH scenery! In fact, in order to make their cars handle better, then turn the POWER DOWN TO RACE!!! Oh my GOD!!! Can you IMAGINE THAT??? The racers at BPR would FAINT!! Less speed to race with?? What would the motor gods think? But it's what is popular in 1/32 in SoCal. They want to race SCALE looking cars, not slot cars. They race mostly for FUN, and part of that enjoyment is the LOOK to the cars and race track. That's why they are not racing their 1/32 at BPR style tracks.
IMHO!!!
Tim

And I guess if you're not interested in your current customer base, keeping this on track re: why slot racing died in the 60's-- lot's of competition from home based VIDEO games! Brought racing into your living room, and various forms of entertainment stopped people from building and racing. Instant gratification from picking up a "game controller"!
T

Getting back on track, I think that Mike B said it best, the majority of us in the 60's that were so into slot racing and supported the raceways grew up! We did buy real cars, go out dating, and had to get on with College or Careers, or were hauled off to fight in a foreign land. The video game craze then came in , and another generation that could have carried the torch was left to fend against the ever increasing costs to compete. Racing was not in the cards for most because they could not afford it, and class racing was not really around. There were no specific motor categories, it was run what cha brung, and to compete, the cost became prohibitive. Also, you could not get the same motors that sponsored drivers were getting, and when it becomes too expensive to compete, people look to alternative means for fun. The best probably did not need the best equipment to win, as was shown at the Legends race when Mike Steube again kicked our ***, but when you are less skilled, you needed to at least be on equal footing to have a chance. The Seventies saw an incredible change in the way business was done, and the competition for other alternatives were too much for a cottage industry . Remember how many go-kart tracks there were, how many Miniature golf places there were, etc.. R/C racing became huge for a time, as everyone thought it was the next great thing. And for a while it was. But, as all good things, the times changed, just not whether there was a national organization. The reason BOWLING did not die is the fact it can be done on a DATE. And people continue to do it today because you have both sexes involved. Look at the age today of the average D3 racer!!!!!! Not a young person's hobby Hopefully it will grow, and I will try to do what I can to support my friends when I open a place, but if I wish to do it as a business, I certainly would look at the Internet and Ebay to see my competition, and structure things to make my friends and customers welcome. Who says you can't make a 1/24 commercial raceway look good????????? Just my opinion

[Noose]

PUBERTY!!!! We grew up, bought real cars and motorcycles and dated!


Yup.. That and the fact the motors were getting too expensive.

[stumbley]

I'm not sure how many times I can comment on this same topic, but here goes:

Guys, we are discussing apples and oranges. Slot RACING died in the late '60's because it was RACING. How many young people are involved in 1:1 motorsports beyond the go-kart phase? RACING is expensive. RACING takes time and dedication to compete. RACING takes lots of skill. Most folks do not have the talent to win at RACING. If you don't win at RACING, you're not having FUN. Kids like FUN. Kids will gravitate to the activities that give them FUN.

Put a slot car on the track, put a controller in a kid's hand(one that's never slot raced before), and watch what usually happens. Kid drives too fast, goes off the track, kid gets frustrated, has no patience for learning the basics of slot car driving, leaves. OR...kid has FUN going off the track, watching pieces fall off the car, and looks for other cars to crash into. When none are available, or when pals and other racers leave the track to protect their investments, kid gets frustrated and leaves. It's not FUN. A video game lets you go off the track, crash, and hit the "reset" button and start all over again. A video game lets you enter the "cheat code" and get the hottest car, the most lives, the most money, and all the speed necessary to win.

A "commercial" slot track that is selling RACING will always be limited to the small number of people who feel that they at least are contenders. Everyone else will fall by the wayside because, as I've said before, losing is NOT FUN. Track owners MUST realize that in order to increase business or even STAY in business that what they're selling is ENTERTAINMENT, not RACING. Racing appeals to a very limited range of guys who have the talent, time, money and resources (tools, skills, etc.) to devote to a pastime that requires lots of the former. People that DON'T have lots of the abilities mentioned above will not be having FUN. You—as an owner of a RACING track—will lose those customers, and never get them back. You will not attract new customers who don't understand the nature of RACING. Jim H. has been saying this for years, but apparently no one is listening.

And, yes, I have read all the posts in this thread...I think they're ALL appropriate.

[idare2bdul]

I've seen a lot of racway business models fail but I don't think I've seen the one true path to success. This is especially hard because of the failure of the industry to pull together and advertise in a meaningful way. Races, track rental, parts sales and birthday partys can all be sources of income. I would think the healthiest raceways would combine all of these but that doesn't always happen. One raceway hired a girl to coordinate birthday parties and gave her a cut. The parties were colorful and fun. Not like a lot of what I see at tracks.

Now topless slot tracks ...

[stumbley]

I've seen a lot of racway business models fail but I don't think I've seen the one true path to success.

Mike, you're absolutely right. That's because there IS no "one true path." Different locations will have different customer sets, desires, and skill levels. As I've said before, BP's clientele is composed mostly of folks who have either been racing for years or who have lately come back into the hobby with all of their previous skills intact. It's a tribute to Chris and Lenore's ability to adapt to changing conditions that they're there at all. Same probably goes for KC, certainly Jim Hunnicutt.

But the idea that a commercial track can succeed as a RACEtrack is just a pipe dream, for all the reasons I've outlined. Racing is too specialized a skill set, and the young ones don't have the patience...unless they're given a whole lot of help. MOST small businesses fail—not just slot tracks—from the owners' inability to realize that they're in a business, not running something that lets them enjoy something they're passionate about.

Greg Wells will remember a little thing called the ISCA (International Slot Car Association) that attempted to unite those of us who love the hobby—all scales, all types of racing, everything. It was intended to be the association he's mentioned a number of times when this type of thread comes up (and it comes up on all the various forums at least once a year). Result? Zero, nada, zilch, nothing. A number of us paid some dues, got nifty little logo patches, and committed to provide data for a (never-built) website.

Face it, guys, we are niche players in a niche hobby that may or may not grow or endure. Club racing appears to be the future, as it's way less stressful than organized competition, and still FUN. If the manufacturers were interested in a trade organization or pooling industry resources for the benefit of all, they'd do it, but they can't even agree on standards for equipment that would enable folks to race all manufacturer's product all over the place. It ain't happening, no matter what we would like to see.

I don't like saying that, but frankly, I don't see anything changing anytime soon. There's just not enough of us with enough time or energy to commit to seeing something happen as far as "growing the hobby."

[68Caddy]

Mike C and Tim N

I raced with both of you and both of you are great guys.
I think this post itself became a race and it should not be a thing who is right and who is wrong.
We all are crazy hobbists and one thing we all have in common is that we love slot cars.
And Mike, no you are not alone. I'm right there with you, bro. Tim, I remember when I first saw a commercial race track way back early 70's
back in Sweden they race 1:32 and 1:24 scale cars and there was no animosity between them;

I think it became too much us and them but it needs to merge together.

Europe has taken the 1:32 scale route and the State side stuck in the 1:24. (History deparment)

Fact of the matter is the Europeans take their hobbies as serious as we do here with 1:24 but they have the market share and the money.
I see a lot of development overseas by the 1:32 manufacturers and they do have a lot more money to spend to bring out new stuff.
Maybe we are looking down on 1:32 scale racers (and shouldn't)?

Anyway what's the difference between magnets and liquid glue? (Not much)
Mike I love what you are doing to those 1:32 and you kick a$$
I love any type of slot car racing. Hope you guys can reconcile somehow.

Face it 1:24 guys have the ugliest wheels on the planet would you put it on your ride?
Maybe we should demand some more choices like the 1:32 guy they have the bitchen wheels.

This have nothing to do with the title of the POST.
Of course I wish I could rewrite history and I would be the HERO



Nesta aka 68Caddy

[stumbley]

Gee, KC, maybe you didn't get the drift of what Tim Neja and I have been talking about. We race in a club with 50 regular members, many more interested (and membership has grown over the years), on 8 tracks in the greater Los Angeles area. I myself have a 65.8' track and host 3 races a year http://www.farroutsl...rtin-Track.html. The rest of us rotate through the other 7 tracks, so I guess I'm doing my part. As far as we're concerned, slot racing is very alive and well in my neck of the woods.

See, the difference here is that we're racing 1/32 scale cars, cars that go slower and are more realistic than most (not all) of the "scale" cars one sees at "commercial" tracks. Different strokes for different folks. And as for not taking the time or wanting the hobby to grow, well, I've spent over $3,000 on my track to get it ready for club racing.

Apples and oranges again. We're having FUN in the club. Are you?

[68Caddy]

stumbley

I'm very happy that you have a successful program going on but I wish we could help to bridge the two scales together and build on that.
Its great that Dennis is back here in SC and say hi from me I'm a great admire of his work.
His a great person a great force for our racing habit.
Think big and lets go forward with sharing ideas and ecstatics.
Personally I love both scales and thats all that matters to me.

Nesta aka 68Caddy

[68Caddy]

Maybe I should spend more time on building my stuff and painting my little cars and stop being on the blog.
My table are full of projects and I find my self spending more time on the blog than creating fun little things that makes me happy.
I guess I will get some grief saying this but thats ok, I'm getting numb on all the arguments instead of solutions.
It's all cool.
Maybe there are more people like me that feels that way?
Need to be more creative and spend more time on my little cars.



Nesta aka 68Caddy

[Tim Neja]

Hey Bella, I built another F-1 car last night for fun!! I don't understand anyone thinking I'm down on 1/32?? I love those little cars, But I race them for different reasons than 1/24Th. And that's not because I wouldn't or don't want to race both, but they bring different things to the hobby. I just don't see the need to make everything "the same"!!? I enjoy what IS different about them. I suggested that might work in the commercial environment, and got attacked because of it?? Why not have both style of tracks for your customers? Why STUFF them into the same style of track? Both tracks will be there and people can choose what they enjoy best --or participate in both! Market to both markets, I just pointed out the BOTH exist. And I see same comments coming back-- again-- it's track owners not listening to their changing customer base. I love ALL forms of racing-- I was a sponsored RC driver for 15 years with Associated Race Cars. I watched that hobby grow and shrink also. It's all good--get out and enjoy racing/building/ driving our little cars!!
I'm heading out to the garage to build another car!! A D3 Retro Pro!! Just another class to play with, and Oh yeah--I'm designing my 1/32 4 lane track for my garage as well!! So --I'll be a slot customer for the next couple of decades anyway!!
Let's race!!!
Tim