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[Danny Zona]

Danny,
 
What is the present front tire rule? Do they have to touch and roll or just be there?

This is what front wheels and solid front axles essentially look like on our cars. This is what makes flexi cars look like an actual car to some who said no way to getting rid of this ridiculous looking wheels that have no function or even remotely look like any actual wheel. Lol
Also,the o-ring better be on the wheel that doesn't function or a racer will fail tech. LMAO. Very important rule for some.

[DOCinCanton]

Nice front wheels Danny. I need to get some. However, what you said about the front wheels is not entirely accurate. Last year at this time, you and Mike, not you so much but definately Mike, insisted that My Series should adopted the entire rule set from the Outlaw series in Georgia. Mike went on rant after rant on this matter. For those who dont know, the rules for the Outlaw series for 4" NASCAR allows the bodies to be cut down to nearly nothing and no interior was required, along with the elimenation of the front axle and wheels. Some of us were in favor of elimenating the front wheels after warming up to the idea, however, a NASCAR body is not a NASCAR body once you chopped off the bottom half of the body and removed the interior. You guys might as well use a wedge type body used in wing cars. I know we come close to removing the front axle and front wheels last year, but everybody in the series, as well as the directors, wanted the 4" NASCAR bodies to still maintain the bumpers and interiors. We did adopt the same motor for 4" NASCAR and LMP (JK Hawk Retro) so that any racer can race in NASCAR then simply change the body and race in LMP. I know that some racers did just that.  So peace my friend and I hope you and Mike race with us in 2017 no matter how the rules turn out.

[Danny Zona]

I'm strictly talking front wheels, Doc.

Nothing about bodies.

[Danny Zona]

You know us though, Doc.

We race all types of rules set. Especially when racers are showing up.

[Zippity]

Slot cars are tripods, and In most cases, front wheels are a hindrance.

 

On F1/Indy/Open wheels cars, they give realism.

 

Long live the stickers

[Samiam]

If the fronts don't touch and roll, support the car, or even look " right ", then what are they there for? Looks? A sticker looks good. And doesn't mash up the body in a wreck. Fronts belong on Womps, F-1s, Hard Bodies, Vintage, Retro, and plastic cars. Modern " Flexi " cars just don't need 'em.

 

Not " My Series " . It's yours. Do what's best for the series.

[Samiam]

Ron,

 

They may not need the two front wheels but they do need the two front chassis wings. So two plus two is still four. Not three. Tripods are inherently unstable. That's why Trikes were outlawed in the US. Giving rise to Four Wheeler ATVs.

[MSwiss]

On something without skids, or much downforce, like a Retro F1 car, front wheels are definitely needed.

[Zippity]

You are probably right.

 

I just hate seeing them get knocked out of alignment on a "newbies" car and that racer giving up all hope

[DOCinCanton]

Danny, you are an equal opportunity racer. And champion!

[Biscuit]

Did you hear somewhere that everyone at the outlaw race had cut down wedge bodies in nascar because I don't remember seeing you there? I don't remember seeing a single wedged nascar body in fact me and dzs bodies were cut on the line and we ran just fine...

 

Anyways, yes the outlaw rules are easier for a beginner or a local racer to compete. Do you think having front wheels or a front bumper is gonna help the top racers win? No, it only gives them more things to get on point that the local racer may not even be able to get legal. Sure everyone can solder some wheels on but not everyone can flawlessly cut a body. Someone made a big fuss a while back because a few local racers didn't have a full 1/8 bumper. Is this real life??? Interiors should be required in my opinion but I can't tell you how many times I've grabbed a guys car to help and pulled a lb of useless tape out of there. The most important aspect of the rule set is the ease and amount of money it takes to put a car on the track. Saves money and hassle to me that is a plus but obviously everyone has their own opinions and some disagree.

 

There shouldn't be a front bumper rule with nascar it only causes issues with making it a hassle to race which drives people away. Like I said before it's not going to win someone a race. I can't tell you how many times I've been bounced for the o-rings. This past year I purposely never ran them to see if i could get through haha. I didn't want front wheels last year but I'm allowed to change my mind like everyone else. jk came out with a new chassis and I'm gonna be debbie downer like some people like to do every time me or dz has an opinion or input on the rules. I do go out of state to race so do you think I want the new chassis to be allowed?

 

Fortunately we changed the rules to make it a little cheaper with the motors because no new racer was spending that kind of money to be able to race. If the experienced racers and new racers are all kept under the same sets of rules the experienced ones are the ones who need to take a compromise much more often than not. Up to last year and even now some still don't get this concept about making it cheaper. Not in ways to dumb down the racing by banning everything not jk but by doing away with useless components and rules. 

 

Things are obviously going in the right direction with entries lets keep it going.

[Danny Zona]

I can't say I remember seeing all the bodies, Biscuit.

But, I do remember 1st through 4th all where cut on the body lines. Which was me, James, Ralph and Biscuit.

Plus, we experimented with wedging nascar/GT1 bodies in different rule sets only to find out they where slower.

Something we actually tested and not assumed like many.

[Mr. M]

Posted 29 September 2015 - 11:26 PM
This discussion reminds me of when I subbed for Bill Pinch at one of the USRA rule meetings in the early 1980's. The discussion was if the front wheels should touch and roll. The building consensus was to not require this. As you would expect, it was quite a discussion. Paul Pfeiffer was strongly opposed and offered that this would change slot racing forever. At the time, I did not see his wisdom, but I believe he was right. In the end, the change was made to not require this. Although subtle, this in my opinion, over time did have a negative impact. The point is, rule changes can have long lasting impacts, maybe negatively. Tread carefully here. Use the wisdom of the track owners wisely, their very existence depends on retaining their very thin base business.

Chris
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I posted this about a year ago. Same thought about removing the front wheels. If this obsoletes a bunch of existing hardware, how is this good for the business? Be careful here. What happens when a new body comes out designed to fit the new no front wheels chassis?

[Samiam]

Racers will pony up the $29 and get a new state of the art chassis. And the money they save on fronts can be used to buy wheel stickers. The raceway can't sell new stuff if the new stuff ain't legal.

 

Front wheels matter, but if they don't do anything but hang there on a .032" axle then 86 'em.

[Biscuit]

I remember when front wheels were useful on a turbo flex chassis. FLdiv2 had a 1/16 clearance rule on the front end and did surprise techs mid race but most places never required this. When the front axles used to be attached to the center section front wheels were useful even when there was no 1/16 front height rule. They used to be 5/8 in most classes and had to hang below chassis and now are either 1/2inch or not required. I think this aspect of scale racing has followed flat track style and isra with no fronts now the jk chassis doesn't even have uprights. Obviously this is the exact opposite of what the retro cars are with the thick axles and rubber tires that support the car. I enjoyed the extra aspect of setting the front wheels before they just flopped around on the pan. O-ring fronts may soon be extinct. Back when they were 5/8 wheels I would have rather them went the direction of 3/32 soldered front axles and small rubber fronts then none at all. I know of a couple racers at my track that won't race flexi cars because no front wheels. They are only interested in retro and the spec indy cars. Most new racers like seeing realistic rubber front wheels that look like front wheels. FCR was all I knew when I started and for a beginner the Indy cars seem to be a great concept with an entry level car with realistic front wheels. Would be cool if they had a dirt modified body for that chassis. 

 

Only proposal I have is no 1/8 front bumper rule in nascar. This is an extinct usra rule and as stupid as it sounds they don't even use nascar bodies anymore anyways. If we are worried about wedging bodies well we are already running the wedge hd nascar bodies so I think it would be fine. Now that there is 2 groups of racers in all classes maybe a rule or 2 can be different for 1 group or the next. 

 

 

More combo races, or make myseries and grrr the same weekends so it's like the 2 day state races we used to have. 8 or 10 races together and still trim to 1 day in summer like this year. 

[CoastalAngler1]

When are the rules and classes gonna be announced for My Series?  

[Wizard Of Iz]

When are the rules and classes gonna be announced for My Series?  

Charlie, thanks for the reminder.

I'll make time this weekend.

[Wizard Of Iz]

When are the rules and classes gonna be announced for My Series?  

 

 

I have the snapshot and the race dates posted.

 

I'm not sure of the class rotation though.

[DOCinCanton]

Rollin: Today, Ed, Marcus and Bill discussed the schedule for next year while they were at the Pinellas Park enduro. It sounds to me that there may be some huge changes to the schedule and which car classes will be run. Stay tuned.

 

Doc Dougherty

Florida My Series Administrator

[Danny Zona]

Sweet.

[Marcus P1 Raceway]

This is my suggestion that I talked to Ed and Bill about. Since the enduro races are the ones that gets the fewest participants, I say that we get rid of them and in their place put the same type of races from the first 4 months of the year being Indy, NASCAR, LMP, and GTP (only 3 classes per day). What do you guys think?

[DOCinCanton]

Marcus: Sounds good to me. However, the endurance races are the most competitive and fun races of the whole year, in my opinion. But if it will boost the attendance, I think your proposal is good. I think that since Ed, Bill and Greg have ovals, some good thought should be brought to bare concerning which car classes are run at each track. Also, the number of times we run each car class should be about equal. Again IMO.

[Danny Zona]

This is my suggestion that I talked to Ed and Bill about. Since the enduro races are the ones that gets the fewest participants, I say that we get rid of them and in their place put the same type of races from the first 4 months of the year being Indy, NASCAR, LMP, and GTP (only 3 classes per day). What do you guys think?

I agree. Attendance drops off. It seems only a few race the endurance races consistently. Endurance racing is cool but more like fun learn a track type racing, IMO.

[tonyp]

Maybe have one big endurance race like 12 hours like in the old days.


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[Jay Guard]

I like the idea of one long Enduro.  How about a 6 hour Enduro running IRRA Stockcars with an hour of night driving (i.e. car lights only).  You've got to really drive those and it wouldn't just be hammering GTP's around at near full punch the whole time.  Plus using a built chassis type of car there will probably be a few repairs needed for all of the cars.  That should make the race just that much more interesting.  Maybe even do a Pro/Am sort of thing so the teams aren't too uneven.