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#26 Samiam

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 06:14 AM

"One more detail to is maintain a Stoichiometric Air/Fuel Ratio in a carburetor will require re-jetting at or above 10% eth."

 

This can be difficult on newer power equipment. The EPA took away the adjustment screws on all small engines many years ago. To re-jet you must drill out the main jet. On some small 2-stroke engines the screws have reappeared. But a special tool is needed to turn them. Or you can sneak a needle nose in there. I sure miss the days of using a small screw driver to adjust the high and low speed screws to get the engine running smooth.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 07:52 AM

I highly doubt the minimum wage junior high school dropout gas station attendant selling cigarettes and fried chicken knows what a 5 micron fuel filter is, Bob.

 

The theory that a sealed system with fuel injection assumes the system is, indeed, sealed. Unless there is a way to test it, how would one know just how good that "seal" is? My point is, a little extra precautionary measure won't hurt.

 

Checking the undercarriage when the car is on the lift isn't an option unless you own the lift and pay the insurance bills.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 09:43 AM

I highly doubt the minimum wage junior high school dropout gas station attendant selling cigarettes and fried chicken knows what a 5 micron fuel filter is, Bob.

 

The theory that a sealed system with fuel injection assumes the system is, indeed, sealed. Unless there is a way to test it, how would one know just how good that "seal" is? My point is, a little extra precautionary measure won't hurt.

 

Checking the undercarriage when the car is on the lift isn't an option unless you own the lift and pay the insurance bills.

 

You're probably right ... I didn't sell chicken. LOL 

Is it full serve where you are living? In NJ it is 'against the law' to pump your own fuel these days. geez, there I go again. Ask the 'island attendant' lol... "do you sell chicken, hey what about these filters".

 

Not a major but if you ever see the pump service tech or the Weights and Measures police there ask him or call 'corporate' and ask. The old 'spin-on' filters were labeled, the new in-line are not.  I'm sure 99% of pumps have them as there is always some water in the bottom of the underground tank. BITD I had to 'stick the tanks' at the stat of and end of the shift. Always about 3/4 to 1" of water. Computerized pumps solved that for the drop-outs. They don't even know how to count back change, the register tells them. 

 

FI cars run high fuel pressure, if it ain't sealed... you'll smell it before you'll see it.

 

Get under the car when your tires rotated or get an oil change, when did you have the trans fluid changed last.  BTW: don't go with the 'flush' style, Drop the pan and change the filter.

 

I didn't say 'don't us a fuel additive', it brings peace ( :victory: ) of mind at worst. 

 

I did forget to tell ya... The 'stuff' you put in the Diesel boat motors did three things, upper cyl. lube, anti-bacterial and anti fungal.

 

CAUTION: Beware of the dreaded "Diesel Bug" syndrome :shok:


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 10:49 AM

You can get more water into your gas tank when you fill up on a humid or rainy day than on a sunny low humidity day that can contaminate the fuel.   Check you vacumn lines to make sure it is working by hearing the 'suck' when you open the gas cap.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 02:19 PM

Hey Larry, that's a good tip about taking the cap off and listening for the "whoosh" :good:

Went to wally world today and they had several choices.

For me, it was between Sta-Bil "Storage" and Lucas "Safeguard".

The Sta-Bil treats 20 gallons for $4 and the Lucas treats 80 gallons for $9.

I trust Lucas so I went with that.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 05:14 PM

"Computerized pumps solved that for the drop-outs. They don't even know how to count back change, the register tells them."

 

It's worse than that. The display screen shows a picture of the coins they have to give you. Sad. 


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 06:17 PM

Ethanol is good when served over ice or neat.  :D

 

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Posted 23 July 2017 - 06:21 PM

Is that considered "corn likker"? :laugh2:


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Posted 24 July 2017 - 09:13 AM

"One more detail to is maintain a Stoichiometric Air/Fuel Ratio in a carburetor will require re-jetting at or above 10% eth."

 

This can be difficult on newer power equipment. The EPA took away the adjustment screws on all small engines many years ago. To re-jet you must drill out the main jet. On some small 2-stroke engines the screws have reappeared. But a special tool is needed to turn them. Or you can sneak a needle nose in there. I sure miss the days of using a small screw driver to adjust the high and low speed screws to get the engine running smooth.

 

 I haven't bought the special mixture screw tool. I needle nose fiddle back them all the way out then cut a slot in them with a thin (explosive) Dremel cutting  disk. Now they are "as good as old".

"Computerized pumps solved that for the drop-outs. They don't even know how to count back change, the register tells them."

 

It's worse than that. The display screen shows a picture of the coins they have to give you. Sad. 

 

Long time ago but wasn't that lesson in 1st grade? I seem to remember those workbooks we could write in.

 

Dad, can I have a quarter, dime, nickel and a penny?

What for?

School work.

Then ... OK!  ... but don't come home with 41 pcs. of Bazooka.

Dad, those are 2 for a penny.

Don't be a wiseass.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 09:44 AM

Ethanol is good when served over ice or neat.  :D

 

Salut

 

Go easy on that stuff. :wacko2:

It doesn't grow on trees you know, and if you don't you'll feel like you fell out of one.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:43 AM

Must be what they're serving the tourist down in Mexico these days.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:51 AM

Baboons - drinkin' gasoline


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 05:57 PM

Have to agree with what Bob has to say about ethanol in  modern gasoline.

 

Many of the evils people blame on ethanol come from confusing ethanol with methanol. Want a lot of power run methanol but don't forget to run the engine on gasoline after to clean the methanol out. Or you will have some serious white powder where your aluminum pistons once were.

 

All cars built for many years have not used rubber in the fuel system. they now use neoprene or other material in the flex joints. Everything in the fuel system is plated or coated. Want a hot street car or race car that the fuel bill won't kill you run Summer blend E85 . Want to store you car pull a fuel line and drain the tank the put a little Dry Ice in the tank. Been to many a indoor multi day car show and had that done to make the local Fire Marshal happy.  

 

Most of the information floating around on ethanol is misinformation. I spent my last eight working years Teaching a college level Motorsports program part of that was Ethanol and Hydrogen fuel engines. But now that we are swimming in oil again no one cares about that anymore. Electric Cars will be the answer if anyone comes up with the battery technology needed.

 

Here is a little known fact. Henry Ford's original intent was to have his new Ford cars run on pure ethanol. He changed his mind when a cheap waste product from refining oil called gasoline came along.    

 

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